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Anonymous wrote:There is a lot of similarities theologically, and I would love to see both PCUSA and the Episcopal churches thrive. Their theology is much more aligned to the Bible than the anti-love, anti-women theology of many of the evangelical churches.

Agree 100%

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Anonymous wrote:There is a lot of similarities theologically, and I would love to see both PCUSA and the Episcopal churches thrive. Their theology is much more aligned to the Bible than the anti-love, anti-women theology of many of the evangelical churches.

Agree 100%

Anonymous wrote:There is a lot of similarities theologically, and I would love to see both PCUSA and the Episcopal churches thrive. Their theology is much more aligned to the Bible than the anti-love, anti-women theology of many of the evangelical churches.

Don't think they will thrive though -- because people can easily live without them.

There is a lot of similarities theologically, and I would love to see both PCUSA and the Episcopal churches thrive. Their theology is much more aligned to the Bible than the anti-love, anti-women theology of many of the evangelical churches.

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There is a Bishop Schori hater on DCUM who seems very offended by the Episcopal Church's principled stands on gay people, in particular. The expansion of Anglicanism associated with the schism is, I believe, strongly concentrated in countries that oppress gay people. In the U.S., at least, the incredible velocity of the marriage equality movement attests to rapidly shifting American mores, and the Episcopal Church has been in the forefront of that. Of course, this offends some people, and some of those have moved to Anglican churches or left the Episcopal fold altogether. However, the Episcopal Church stands on the side of love because it's the right thing to do.

To be offended by the church is one thing; to lie and mislead about it is another -- and totally unChristian, no matter what your opinion on gay inclusion is.

Certainly. (I'm the PP you're quoting.) I was only pointing out that this particular poster seems to have an agenda and thus isn't necessarily a good source for differences between the Episcopal and Presbyterian denominations.

NP. I recall a few years back that what most incensed the Anglican was that schismatic Anglican churches weren’t allowed to keep their church buildings, and the secular courts upheld the Episcopal Church on this. The bitterness was something to behold.

Yeah, I remember that. Unfortunately, it's negative human traits coming to light over religion: People being people (in the negative sense), using religion as a foil.

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Anonymous wrote:PP, Henry Viii was also highly interested in thenidea that the pope would not have a higher standing than him. As the head of his own church, he wouldn’t answer to the pope or anyone else.

Also not a good reason to start a religion.

Yes, but the result, several centuries later, is a church with all of the beauty of Catholicism without the crazy rules.

+1. Maybe old Henry VIII was into something about divorce and independence from religious authority.

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There is a Bishop Schori hater on DCUM who seems very offended by the Episcopal Church's principled stands on gay people, in particular. The expansion of Anglicanism associated with the schism is, I believe, strongly concentrated in countries that oppress gay people. In the U.S., at least, the incredible velocity of the marriage equality movement attests to rapidly shifting American mores, and the Episcopal Church has been in the forefront of that. Of course, this offends some people, and some of those have moved to Anglican churches or left the Episcopal fold altogether. However, the Episcopal Church stands on the side of love because it's the right thing to do.

To be offended by the church is one thing; to lie and mislead about it is another -- and totally unChristian, no matter what your opinion on gay inclusion is.

Certainly. (I'm the PP you're quoting.) I was only pointing out that this particular poster seems to have an agenda and thus isn't necessarily a good source for differences between the Episcopal and Presbyterian denominations.

NP. I recall a few years back that what most incensed the Anglican was that schismatic Anglican churches weren’t allowed to keep their church buildings, and the secular courts upheld the Episcopal Church on this. The bitterness was something to behold.

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Anonymous wrote:PP, Henry Viii was also highly interested in thenidea that the pope would not have a higher standing than him. As the head of his own church, he wouldn’t answer to the pope or anyone else.

Also not a good reason to start a religion.

Yes, but the result, several centuries later, is a church with all of the beauty of Catholicism without the crazy rules.

Anonymous wrote:As an Episcopalian, I can assure you that it is NOT a top down structure. It is a democracy, formed at the time the US constitution was adopted. Bishops are elected by clergy and delegates. Also, the breakaway congregations are aligned with countries that criminalize gay relationships.

This was an 8 year old thread.

Although, the Episcopal Diocese of Maryland is electing its new bishop this weekend, so certainly your point about a democracy is well taken.

As an Episcopalian, I can assure you that it is NOT a top down structure. It is a democracy, formed at the time the US constitution was adopted. Bishops are elected by clergy and delegates. Also, the breakaway congregations are aligned with countries that criminalize gay relationships.

HI there, life long Presbyterian (PCUSA) All our churches are different. However we do follow an order and liturgy that can be followed in the Book of Common Worship. Some churches are akin in practice to Anglican or Lutherans and some are more like non traditional or similar to Methodist, it all depends. Also not all Presbyterian denominations are the same even in practice or belief. PCUSA and Cumberland and PCA are more similar to each other.

Communion is either celebrated every Sunday at some churches or once a month. And we believe in the Real Presence( Spiritual presence) the pneumatic presence not in consubstantiation nor transubstantiation as Roman Catholics.

I would feel more comfortable in an Episcopal or Anglican or Methodist church vs Lutheran, just given the history.

Anonymous wrote:PP, Henry Viii was also highly interested in thenidea that the pope would not have a higher standing than him. As the head of his own church, he wouldn’t answer to the pope or anyone else.

Also not a good reason to start a religion.

PP, Henry Viii was also highly interested in thenidea that the pope would not have a higher standing than him. As the head of his own church, he wouldn’t answer to the pope or anyone else.