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Anonymous wrote:I'm an Ivy grad and I'm uncomfortable with policies that explicitly limit acceptances based on racial identification. I'm equally uncomfortable with policies that explicitly privilege admissions based on racial identification.

My children are half Caucasian, half non-Caucasian. If the other half is Latino or African-American, they get a leg up. If it is Asian, they get discriminated against. Seems wildly un-American to me.

Would it be more American to have the Elite colleges consist of 50 percent Asians, 48 percent whites, and two percent combo of AA and Hispanics? In a country that looks nothing like that?

I guess the nba and nfl..you know NATIONAL basketball association and NATIONAL football league should change their names to negro basketball association and negro football league.

Afterall each league is 75% and 67% black respectively. In a country that looks and will never look anything like that.

QUOTAS IN SPORTS, NOW!

After all, the NATIONAL Hockey league is 90% white in a country that and will never look anything like that. QUOTAS IN SPORTS, NOW!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an Ivy grad and I'm uncomfortable with policies that explicitly limit acceptances based on racial identification. I'm equally uncomfortable with policies that explicitly privilege admissions based on racial identification.

My children are half Caucasian, half non-Caucasian. If the other half is Latino or African-American, they get a leg up. If it is Asian, they get discriminated against. Seems wildly un-American to me.

Would it be more American to have the Elite colleges consist of 50 percent Asians, 48 percent whites, and two percent combo of AA and Hispanics? In a country that looks nothing like that?

I guess the nba and nfl..you know NATIONAL basketball association and NATIONAL football league should change their names to negro basketball association and negro football league.

Afterall each league is 75% and 67% black respectively. In a country that looks and will never look anything like that.

QUOTAS IN SPORTS, NOW!

Ha! Then bring some talent to the league just like the talent applies to Ivys. That is the argument of the Asians. They are super talented so there should be more slots available to them.

Of course, white men can jump. So, where are they?

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is not just relying on test scores: it has to do with a concerted effort to limit Asians at some of these schools because they don't want a student population that is skewed towards Asians.

This is outright racism and should not be tolerated.

Check out this link and how blatant the discrimination is against Asians.

http://www.jewishjournal.com/thewideangle/item/tolerating_intolerance

Cal Tech is over 60% Asian. I don't think that's discrimination.

And that is precisely why some of the elite colleges discriminate against Asians. They don't want a student population that looks like Cal Tech.

It has nothing to do with wanting well rounded applicants ...... it has to do with wanting fewer Asians so that they don't end up looking like Cal Tech.

You could use the same argument about other races. Respectfully, do you feel that every university should be overwhelmingly Asian because statistically the number of Asian applicants has significantly increased?

Not at all. But the fact that elite schools do limit the number of Asians is not seriously debated any more. It is done under different guises but the end result is the same.

Now whether this can be proven in court is a different issue.

I guarantee Harvard is going to pull out the big guns from their own law school and legal alumnus. And they will be backed by the contributors to their enormous endowment. I doubt Harvard will go the way of Cal Tech nor is that a bad thing. While I think Harvard will increase its Asian populace, I don't think it will ever be majority of Asian...nor Stanford, nor Yale, etc, etc.

My view is that the racial composition of the students should not be a factor. The emphasis should be on the applicants who are the most qualified ...... and the most qualified does not mean merely those with the best test scores.

But introducing criteria that has the ulterior motive of inhibiting any racial group is problematical.

I recall the time not so long ago when Asians in the job market were viewed as being excellent technically but did not have "leadership" qualities. This is an argument that is not used for the most part today as Asians have ended up in senior management positions including heading some major corporations and also achieving leadership roles in other facets of life.

As far as Harvard bringing out the big guns from their law school, you are making the assumption that these "big guns" agree with Harvard's current approach of limiting admissions when it comes to Asians.

What I see as the main benefit of the lawsuit is that the very publicity will compel colleges like Harvard to take a more objective approach and focus less on a quota system. I also think that given the current composition of the SCOTUS and its previous opinions, it will be less than sympathetic to any arbitrary limitation of admissions with regard to any racial group.

So then you are cool with HYP being 97% Asian American? Aren't those universities supposed to represent the best and the brightest of ALL Americans (and international students, etc. etc.).

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an Ivy grad and I'm uncomfortable with policies that explicitly limit acceptances based on racial identification. I'm equally uncomfortable with policies that explicitly privilege admissions based on racial identification.

My children are half Caucasian, half non-Caucasian. If the other half is Latino or African-American, they get a leg up. If it is Asian, they get discriminated against. Seems wildly un-American to me.

Would it be more American to have the Elite colleges consist of 50 percent Asians, 48 percent whites, and two percent combo of AA and Hispanics? In a country that looks nothing like that?

If those are the most qualified applicants, why wouldn't it be?

The universities are currently deciding which applicants have the best qualifications...so sick of this mentality that everything should always be based on the results of some exam that they can get the answer key to in advance if they pay off the right people.

wait...you are claiming that kids can get an SAT answer key by paying people?

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About time! Odds are this one will fail miserably but create interest and incite more. Subsequent lawsuits will be successful. There should not be any quotas based on ethnicity nor should there be legacy, development or athletic preferences.

Why shouldn't colleges give preference to legacy, development, or athletic applicants? Should they also not give preference to the oboe or tuba player they need? Top schools want a diverse group of students, in every sense of the word. These schools want a vibrant group of student who bring a plethora of skills and talents to the table. They know students learn from each other as much as they do from professors in the classroom. Meeting and getting to know and respect people who are very different from yourself is a fundamental part of the college years and has effects far into one's adult life; admissions offices want to put together an entering class that will enrich the experience of all the students.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an Ivy grad and I'm uncomfortable with policies that explicitly limit acceptances based on racial identification. I'm equally uncomfortable with policies that explicitly privilege admissions based on racial identification.

My children are half Caucasian, half non-Caucasian. If the other half is Latino or African-American, they get a leg up. If it is Asian, they get discriminated against. Seems wildly un-American to me.

Would it be more American to have the Elite colleges consist of 50 percent Asians, 48 percent whites, and two percent combo of AA and Hispanics? In a country that looks nothing like that?

If those are the most qualified applicants, why wouldn't it be?

The universities are currently deciding which applicants have the best qualifications...so sick of this mentality that everything should always be based on the results of some exam that they can get the answer key to in advance if they pay off the right people.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an Ivy grad and I'm uncomfortable with policies that explicitly limit acceptances based on racial identification. I'm equally uncomfortable with policies that explicitly privilege admissions based on racial identification.

My children are half Caucasian, half non-Caucasian. If the other half is Latino or African-American, they get a leg up. If it is Asian, they get discriminated against. Seems wildly un-American to me.

Would it be more American to have the Elite colleges consist of 50 percent Asians, 48 percent whites, and two percent combo of AA and Hispanics? In a country that looks nothing like that?

If those are the most qualified applicants, why wouldn't it be?

Anonymous wrote:They'll lose. There is no court that's going to tell Harvard they have to go just by test scores. And once you take that option away, it becomes too subjective to prove.

cal and ucla don't go by just on test scores.

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About time! Odds are this one will fail miserably but create interest and incite more. Subsequent lawsuits will be successful. There should not be any quotas based on ethnicity nor should there be legacy, development or athletic preferences.

No school is giving up their athletic recruitment. Even HYP has a healthy respect for sports though Princeton is so-so athletically. Okay, Princetonians, bring it on!

ucla and berkeley recruit stronger athletes than HYP and show no racial preference at the same time. It can be done (i know you will say that they offer scholarships, but even without scholarships, the applicant pool at ivies is so strong that they can do this as well).

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an Ivy grad and I'm uncomfortable with policies that explicitly limit acceptances based on racial identification. I'm equally uncomfortable with policies that explicitly privilege admissions based on racial identification.

My children are half Caucasian, half non-Caucasian. If the other half is Latino or African-American, they get a leg up. If it is Asian, they get discriminated against. Seems wildly un-American to me.

Would it be more American to have the Elite colleges consist of 50 percent Asians, 48 percent whites, and two percent combo of AA and Hispanics? In a country that looks nothing like that?

I guess the nba and nfl..you know NATIONAL basketball association and NATIONAL football league should change their names to negro basketball association and negro football league.

Afterall each league is 75% and 67% black respectively. In a country that looks and will never look anything like that.

QUOTAS IN SPORTS, NOW!

Anonymous wrote:
About time! Odds are this one will fail miserably but create interest and incite more. Subsequent lawsuits will be successful. There should not be any quotas based on ethnicity nor should there be legacy, development or athletic preferences.

No school is giving up their athletic recruitment. Even HYP has a healthy respect for sports though Princeton is so-so athletically. Okay, Princetonians, bring it on!

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is not just relying on test scores: it has to do with a concerted effort to limit Asians at some of these schools because they don't want a student population that is skewed towards Asians.

This is outright racism and should not be tolerated.

Check out this link and how blatant the discrimination is against Asians.

http://www.jewishjournal.com/thewideangle/item/tolerating_intolerance

Cal Tech is over 60% Asian. I don't think that's discrimination.

And that is precisely why some of the elite colleges discriminate against Asians. They don't want a student population that looks like Cal Tech.

It has nothing to do with wanting well rounded applicants ...... it has to do with wanting fewer Asians so that they don't end up looking like Cal Tech.

You could use the same argument about other races. Respectfully, do you feel that every university should be overwhelmingly Asian because statistically the number of Asian applicants has significantly increased?

Not at all. But the fact that elite schools do limit the number of Asians is not seriously debated any more. It is done under different guises but the end result is the same.

Now whether this can be proven in court is a different issue.

I guarantee Harvard is going to pull out the big guns from their own law school and legal alumnus. And they will be backed by the contributors to their enormous endowment. I doubt Harvard will go the way of Cal Tech nor is that a bad thing. While I think Harvard will increase its Asian populace, I don't think it will ever be majority of Asian...nor Stanford, nor Yale, etc, etc.

My view is that the racial composition of the students should not be a factor. The emphasis should be on the applicants who are the most qualified ...... and the most qualified does not mean merely those with the best test scores.

But introducing criteria that has the ulterior motive of inhibiting any racial group is problematical.

I recall the time not so long ago when Asians in the job market were viewed as being excellent technically but did not have "leadership" qualities. This is an argument that is not used for the most part today as Asians have ended up in senior management positions including heading some major corporations and also achieving leadership roles in other facets of life.

As far as Harvard bringing out the big guns from their law school, you are making the assumption that these "big guns" agree with Harvard's current approach of limiting admissions when it comes to Asians.

What I see as the main benefit of the lawsuit is that the very publicity will compel colleges like Harvard to take a more objective approach and focus less on a quota system. I also think that given the current composition of the SCOTUS and its previous opinions, it will be less than sympathetic to any arbitrary limitation of admissions with regard to any racial group.

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About time! Odds are this one will fail miserably but create interest and incite more. Subsequent lawsuits will be successful. There should not be any quotas based on ethnicity nor should there be legacy, development or athletic preferences.

I'm not so sure subsequent lawsuits will be overwhelmingly successful. I think some concessions will be made though.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an Ivy grad and I'm uncomfortable with policies that explicitly limit acceptances based on racial identification. I'm equally uncomfortable with policies that explicitly privilege admissions based on racial identification.

My children are half Caucasian, half non-Caucasian. If the other half is Latino or African-American, they get a leg up. If it is Asian, they get discriminated against. Seems wildly un-American to me.

Would it be more American to have the Elite colleges consist of 50 percent Asians, 48 percent whites, and two percent combo of AA and Hispanics? In a country that looks nothing like that?

Not PP but what's wrong with that if it reflects the most qualified students?

By what measure? Standardized test scores? With no concept of the myriad advantages that led to those test scores?

By any transparent measure.

So what besides standardized test scores? Surely you don't mean to include grades, which obviously mean different things from different schools. Really you do you just mean standardized test scores. Which completely ignores the disparate impact that those tests have on different populations.

There are just so many seats available in the Ivys, and while I think Harvard should step of its game where Asian admission is concerned, there is absolutely no reason why all ethnic groups who can produce the credentials shouldn't have a shot.

There are equally smart non-Asian kids who are not getting admitted because an equally smart Asian kid got that spot. It does work both ways whether you believe it or not.