Anonymous
Post 10/30/2014 08:05     Subject: Re:"The Smartest Public Colleges"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here is Holton-Arms 2014-2015 29.7 Average ACT 31 students took the test

http://www.holton-arms.edu/uploaded/documents/admissions/school_profile_sy2015.pdf




http://apps.washingtonpost.com/local/highschoolchallenge/schools/2014/list/private/holton-arms-p-bethesda-md/

Avg ACT 33


So do you think the Post is accurate or do you think the info that Holton itself provides to colleges is accurate. Hmm, which one to pick.......

I have no dog in this Holton fight, but I'd never bet that the Post has its facts right.


But Holton has incentive to lie.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2014 07:47     Subject: Re:"The Smartest Public Colleges"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You really do have to take a step back and chuckle at the stupid tangents these threads go off on. Exactly why are we arguing about Holton-Arms SAT average?


Because some Holton booster cited what turned out to be incorrect data to somehow imply that Holton girls are smarter than students at the smartest public colleges. That very first post was totally irrelevant to the conversation and then it snowballed.

I have a kid at one of the top schools on the list (as an OOS student). What the data doesn't show is the difference between OOS and IS scores, or the impact that engineering schools have on the averages. Of course all of those contribute to the college being "smarter", but certainly at my DCs college the CofE and the OOS students are seen to be smarter than the IS students.


I'll buy that point about engineering students bringing up averages, that makes sense. Not so sure about that second claim that OOS students are doing the same. That probably used to be the case, and may still be so where your kid goes, particularly if it's a public ivy, but nowadays with colleges hungry for those hefty non-resident fees, it's often much easier for an OOS student to get in, and the competition is far fiercer among the IS kids. That's certainly the case at UMCP, and my alma mater the University of Florida.


I think you are both correct - top tier publics can "deman" higher stats (higher than IS kids - UVA, UNC for example) and full pay whereas the second tier schools just need the money. For them (the second tiers) there are enough IS kids with high stats to raise the avg score (UMD as an example).
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2014 06:43     Subject: Re:"The Smartest Public Colleges"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You really do have to take a step back and chuckle at the stupid tangents these threads go off on. Exactly why are we arguing about Holton-Arms SAT average?


Because some Holton booster cited what turned out to be incorrect data to somehow imply that Holton girls are smarter than students at the smartest public colleges. That very first post was totally irrelevant to the conversation and then it snowballed.

I have a kid at one of the top schools on the list (as an OOS student). What the data doesn't show is the difference between OOS and IS scores, or the impact that engineering schools have on the averages. Of course all of those contribute to the college being "smarter", but certainly at my DCs college the CofE and the OOS students are seen to be smarter than the IS students.


I'll buy that point about engineering students bringing up averages, that makes sense. Not so sure about that second claim that OOS students are doing the same. That probably used to be the case, and may still be so where your kid goes, particularly if it's a public ivy, but nowadays with colleges hungry for those hefty non-resident fees, it's often much easier for an OOS student to get in, and the competition is far fiercer among the IS kids. That's certainly the case at UMCP, and my alma mater the University of Florida.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2014 06:21     Subject: "The Smartest Public Colleges"
Woot. Go Georgia Tech.

My Dad , and uncles, are all EE's from GT. My Dad always said that MIT was a "safety" school for the kids that couldn't get in to GT
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2014 17:26     Subject: Re:"The Smartest Public Colleges"
Anonymous wrote:You really do have to take a step back and chuckle at the stupid tangents these threads go off on. Exactly why are we arguing about Holton-Arms SAT average?


Because some Holton booster cited what turned out to be incorrect data to somehow imply that Holton girls are smarter than students at the smartest public colleges. That very first post was totally irrelevant to the conversation and then it snowballed.

I have a kid at one of the top schools on the list (as an OOS student). What the data doesn't show is the difference between OOS and IS scores, or the impact that engineering schools have on the averages. Of course all of those contribute to the college being "smarter", but certainly at my DCs college the CofE and the OOS students are seen to be smarter than the IS students.
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2014 17:16     Subject: "The Smartest Public Colleges"
We're not. We're arguing about its *ACT* average
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2014 16:45     Subject: Re:"The Smartest Public Colleges"
You really do have to take a step back and chuckle at the stupid tangents these threads go off on. Exactly why are we arguing about Holton-Arms SAT average?
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2014 16:20     Subject: Re:"The Smartest Public Colleges"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here is Holton-Arms 2014-2015 29.7 Average ACT 31 students took the test

http://www.holton-arms.edu/uploaded/documents/admissions/school_profile_sy2015.pdf




http://apps.washingtonpost.com/local/highschoolchallenge/schools/2014/list/private/holton-arms-p-bethesda-md/

Avg ACT 33


So do you think the Post is accurate or do you think the info that Holton itself provides to colleges is accurate. Hmm, which one to pick.......


It's possible that both are right and looking at different classes. If they are looking at the same classes, then it's obvious that Holton info is more reliable. Interesting how a recognized news source might have gotten their facts wrong. Imagine that!
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2014 16:03     Subject: Re:"The Smartest Public Colleges"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here is Holton-Arms 2014-2015 29.7 Average ACT 31 students took the test

http://www.holton-arms.edu/uploaded/documents/admissions/school_profile_sy2015.pdf




http://apps.washingtonpost.com/local/highschoolchallenge/schools/2014/list/private/holton-arms-p-bethesda-md/

Avg ACT 33


So do you think the Post is accurate or do you think the info that Holton itself provides to colleges is accurate. Hmm, which one to pick.......

I have no dog in this Holton fight, but I'd never bet that the Post has its facts right.
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2014 15:49     Subject: Re:"The Smartest Public Colleges"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here is Holton-Arms 2014-2015 29.7 Average ACT 31 students took the test

http://www.holton-arms.edu/uploaded/documents/admissions/school_profile_sy2015.pdf




http://apps.washingtonpost.com/local/highschoolchallenge/schools/2014/list/private/holton-arms-p-bethesda-md/

Avg ACT 33


So do you think the Post is accurate or do you think the info that Holton itself provides to colleges is accurate. Hmm, which one to pick.......
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2014 15:45     Subject: Re:"The Smartest Public Colleges"
Anonymous wrote:Here is Holton-Arms 2014-2015 29.7 Average ACT 31 students took the test

http://www.holton-arms.edu/uploaded/documents/admissions/school_profile_sy2015.pdf




http://apps.washingtonpost.com/local/highschoolchallenge/schools/2014/list/private/holton-arms-p-bethesda-md/

Avg ACT 33
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2014 15:36     Subject: "The Smartest Public Colleges"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wow - the averages are low


Not really. They are using the old 1,600 scale by only considering math and reading. Actually, they are quite high.


Every school on the list has an average that works out to less than Holton-Arms school wide 33 ACT average - and Holton might not be the top - other schools haven't reported.


Holton didn't teach you to write clearly?


PP didn't go to Holton. PP is a SAHM who married someone who can afford to send the kids to Holton. She is now making up for her lack of purpose in life by micromanaging her snowflakes.



I'm stealing this.
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2014 15:32     Subject: "The Smartest Public Colleges"
I find it ironic that George Mason is #80 on the list, when people around this board always try to claim how selective it is over other public VA universities. Even Christopher Newport University (often lauded as a safety school on this board) is higher than George Mason!

Happy to see my alma mater in the 40's!
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2014 15:24     Subject: Re:"The Smartest Public Colleges"
Here is Holton-Arms 2014-2015 29.7 Average ACT 31 students took the test

http://www.holton-arms.edu/uploaded/documents/admissions/school_profile_sy2015.pdf


Anonymous
Post 10/29/2014 15:05     Subject: Re:"The Smartest Public Colleges"
33 appears to be the number of students taking the test, not the mean composite score. Can't find for last year but prior year had mean composite of 29.8 Makes much more sense than a mean of 33.

http://www.holton-arms.edu/uploaded/documents/US/school_profile_sy2013.pdf

Converts to about 1340 two-part SAT. Puts you pretty high on this list.