Anonymous wrote:Its better for those who want an answer to that question to simply view the link. Post Dr. Dirks answer here and the islam haters will react like a shark smelling blood. Its evident he is an intellectual and well read. He is a soft spoken man. He said he felt like he was betraying his congregation standing up on the pulpit after he read the original manuscripts. He says these documents are not seen by everyone, but very good seminary schools will have them. He was lucky enough to attend Harvard.

Anonymous wrote:Its better for those who want an answer to that question to simply view the link. Post Dr. Dirks answer here and the islam haters will react like a shark smelling blood. Its evident he is an intellectual and well read. He is a soft spoken man. He said he felt like he was betraying his congregation standing up on the pulpit after he read the original manuscripts. He says these documents are not seen by everyone, but very good seminary schools will have them. He was lucky enough to attend Harvard.

Anonymous wrote:Its better for those who want an answer to that question to simply view the link. Post Dr. Dirks answer here and the islam haters will react like a shark smelling blood. Its evident he is an intellectual and well read. He is a soft spoken man. He said he felt like he was betraying his congregation standing up on the pulpit after he read the original manuscripts. He says these documents are not seen by everyone, but very good seminary schools will have them. He was lucky enough to attend Harvard.

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Anonymous wrote:There's debate within Christianity about Jesus' divinity. All God, all man, or something in between?

Personally, I don't think I'll know the answer until the next life. I'm fine with that, and I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

I really like the guy's message, and I wouldn't want to be anything else.

Same here and it takes a special kind of person to live it and teach it, whether the son of God or not. He's worth following. A solider -- not so much.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that out of all things to discuss about Islam, the fact that it doesn't believe in trinity is as uncontroversial as it gets.

Who really DOES believe in trinity, besides Christians?

Even some Christians don't believe in the trinity.

+1. As that Dirks piece even points out, Harvard has been showing these early Christian-era documents (gnostic, contemporaneous jewish and various sects of the early Christian era) to seminarians for the last 20-30 years at least. It's not like this is anything new. These early Christian-era documents have been around for about 1900 years now, and many protestant catholic seminaries in the country teach them, as part of teaching how various doctrines like the trinity evolved.

In fact, if these other documents are so persuasive, why did only one single Harvard seminarian see these documents and then convert to Islam 20 years later? Consider that thousands of other Harvard seminarians saw these documents and never converted to Islam.

If you think Harvard is so great, then you won't be wowed by a ratio of 1 convert to Islam / 10,000 (or whatever) Harvard seminarians.

I have no doubt that many of these thousands of Harvard seminarians came out wondering about the Trinity. But only one converted to Islam.

Put me down in the "don't care" camp. I like Jesus' message better than other messages. I'm not converting to Islam because OP posted some link about one Harvard seminarian.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that out of all things to discuss about Islam, the fact that it doesn't believe in trinity is as uncontroversial as it gets.

Who really DOES believe in trinity, besides Christians?

Even some Christians don't believe in the trinity.

Anonymous wrote:I can't imagine why a non-Christian would believe in the holy trinity. That's among the defining characteristics of Christianity.

Anonymous wrote:I think that out of all things to discuss about Islam, the fact that it doesn't believe in trinity is as uncontroversial as it gets.

Who really DOES believe in trinity, besides Christians?

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Anonymous wrote:Is this DCUM or Islam 101, 201, etc?

It's Islam is Right and Christianity is Wrong 101. The moderator doesn't like it when you say she's trying to make converts, but I think it's pretty hard to miss.

Aahhhh, but when you were vilifying Islam, THAT was acceptable, right? Just giving you a taste of your own medicine, my dear.

Aaaahhhh, but YOU STARTED four threads on Islam. People on those threads were just responding to your misleading claims (unless you think they should have been stopped from responding to you). Now YOU started this thread trying to "debunk" (your word) Christianity. The difference is huge. Do you see the difference, sweetie?

I did not start Tell Me About Islam. I defended my religion and clarified distortions you & others made. The new threads are to expose the outright lies you and others said about Islam.

Since you published info about Islam, I have posted info about Christianity. Whats fair is fair.

One thing I always found amusing about the dawwah crowd is their assumption that every white person they see is necessarily Christian. It always starts with "Ah sister but you see, you are putting up a man as god blah blah". It gives me special pleasure to inform them I don't give a damn about either. If Christianity is wrong, it doesn't make Islam wrong. These two aren't the only options on the menu, ya know.

People in muslim countries tend to assume white =christian but with the internet and in the US inter racial marriages, this is less true. I am Muslim and dark complected but my child is white.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this DCUM or Islam 101, 201, etc?

It's Islam is Right and Christianity is Wrong 101. The moderator doesn't like it when you say she's trying to make converts, but I think it's pretty hard to miss.

Aahhhh, but when you were vilifying Islam, THAT was acceptable, right? Just giving you a taste of your own medicine, my dear.

Aaaahhhh, but YOU STARTED four threads on Islam. People on those threads were just responding to your misleading claims (unless you think they should have been stopped from responding to you). Now YOU started this thread trying to "debunk" (your word) Christianity. The difference is huge. Do you see the difference, sweetie?

I did not start Tell Me About Islam. I defended my religion and clarified distortions you & others made. The new threads are to expose the outright lies you and others said about Islam.

Since you published info about Islam, I have posted info about Christianity. Whats fair is fair.

One thing I always found amusing about the dawwah crowd is their assumption that every white person they see is necessarily Christian. It always starts with "Ah sister but you see, you are putting up a man as god blah blah". It gives me special pleasure to inform them I don't give a damn about either. If Christianity is wrong, it doesn't make Islam wrong. These two aren't the only options on the menu, ya know.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this DCUM or Islam 101, 201, etc?

It's Islam is Right and Christianity is Wrong 101. The moderator doesn't like it when you say she's trying to make converts, but I think it's pretty hard to miss.

Aahhhh, but when you were vilifying Islam, THAT was acceptable, right? Just giving you a taste of your own medicine, my dear.

Aaaahhhh, but YOU STARTED four threads on Islam. People on those threads were just responding to your misleading claims (unless you think they should have been stopped from responding to you). Now YOU started this thread trying to "debunk" (your word) Christianity. The difference is huge. Do you see the difference, sweetie?

I did not start Tell Me About Islam. I defended my religion and clarified distortions you & others made. The new threads are to expose the outright lies you and others said about Islam.

Since you published info about Islam, I have posted info about Christianity. Whats fair is fair.

Anonymous wrote:There's debate within Christianity about Jesus' divinity. All God, all man, or something in between?

Personally, I don't think I'll know the answer until the next life. I'm fine with that, and I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

I really like the guy's message, and I wouldn't want to be anything else.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this DCUM or Islam 101, 201, etc?

It's Islam is Right and Christianity is Wrong 101. The moderator doesn't like it when you say she's trying to make converts, but I think it's pretty hard to miss.

Aahhhh, but when you were vilifying Islam, THAT was acceptable, right? Just giving you a taste of your own medicine, my dear.

Aaaahhhh, but YOU STARTED four threads on Islam. People on those threads were just responding to your misleading claims (unless you think they should have been stopped from responding to you). Now YOU started this thread trying to "debunk" (your word) Christianity. The difference is huge. Do you see the difference, sweetie?