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Anonymous wrote:Fairfax County residents should be more concerned with the lack of instruction taking place throughout the school day in FCPS classrooms than twenty minutes lost in transit.

FCPS uses Flipped Classroom and Project Based Learning teaching methodologies where actual teacher instruction has been removed from the classroom. Students are given assignments and a final assessment due date. They are then left to work alone or to work in groups to teach themselves the required content and skills.

This works well if your children are very smart, popular, socially-adept, self-starters who easily share and copy the work of other students. If this is your family situation then these teaching models are perfect for your children.

However, if your children need and want genuine and authentic student/teacher/mentor relationships with their classroom teachers you will be sorely disappointed with the instruction they will receive from their FCPS teachers.

When your children return home from school and they begin their homework, please ask them what did their teachers teach or explain to them about the subject matter they are working on. You'll usually find the teacher gave the assignment without first teaching anything whatsoever about the material.

My children want to know and like their teachers. They want to learn from their teachers. They want to communicate with their teachers. They want to bounce their ideas off their teachers and during the learning process, they want their gradual lesson mastery validated by their teachers, but this is no longer available in the FCPS schools. Schools which have adopted Flipped Classroom and Project Based Learning teaching methodologies have eliminated regular classroom student/teacher communications.

It's pretty sad. Their teachers have become distant, detached, and disengaged. It's strange, it's as if their teachers are no longer present in their classrooms. Teachers claim they are present to answer questions, but what they don't realize is by failing actively teach their students they have gradually lost their abilities to communicate with them at all.

Because teachers are not driving the dialog, they find themselves unable to answer essentially basic questions when they are asked. Eventually, they begin to act as if students' questions are troublesome and annoying.

It's sad for the students and the teachers can't feel good about it either.

You again? Every once in a while, you pop up here on VA Schools forum with your screed about project-based learning and flipped classrooms as if they are happening in every.single.school and destroying the county.

As for the 990 hours, 20 minutes, no early-release Monday, I would offer that in Finland, where kids are outperforming every industrialized nation on the PISA, school does not begin until children are 7 and the school runs from 9-2pm, much less than FCPS. It's about the quality of teacher preparation programs (which is sorely lacking here, case in point you can get an online degree in teaching) AND the amount of time teachers get to plan and collaborate together. Finland has a rigorous teacher prep program and provides a great deal of time to plan. FCPS is making a move in this direction this year with adding in 300 minutes of planning for each teacher at the elementary level.

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Anonymous wrote:Fairfax County residents should be more concerned with the lack of instruction taking place throughout the school day in FCPS classrooms than twenty minutes lost in transit.

FCPS uses Flipped Classroom and Project Based Learning teaching methodologies where actual teacher instruction has been removed from the classroom. Students are given assignments and a final assessment due date. They are then left to work alone or to work in groups to teach themselves the required content and skills.

This works well if your children are very smart, popular, socially-adept, self-starters who easily share and copy the work of other students. If this is your family situation then these teaching models are perfect for your children.

However, if your children need and want genuine and authentic student/teacher/mentor relationships with their classroom teachers you will be sorely disappointed with the instruction they will receive from their FCPS teachers.

When your children return home from school and they begin their homework, please ask them what did their teachers teach or explain to them about the subject matter they are working on. You'll usually find the teacher gave the assignment without first teaching anything whatsoever about the material.

My children want to know and like their teachers. They want to learn from their teachers. They want to communicate with their teachers. They want to bounce their ideas off their teachers and during the learning process, they want their gradual lesson mastery validated by their teachers, but this is no longer available in the FCPS schools. Schools which have adopted Flipped Classroom and Project Based Learning teaching methodologies have eliminated regular classroom student/teacher communications.

It's pretty sad. Their teachers have become distant, detached, and disengaged. It's strange, it's as if their teachers are no longer present in their classrooms. Teachers claim they are present to answer questions, but what they don't realize is by failing actively teach their students they have gradually lost their abilities to communicate with them at all.

Because teachers are not driving the dialog, they find themselves unable to answer essentially basic questions when they are asked. Eventually, they begin to act as if students' questions are troublesome and annoying.

It's sad for the students and the teachers can't feel good about it either.

I am an FCPS teacher and I don't know what you are talking about. We do not use either a flipped classroom or a project-based model, with the exception of the 5th grade global awareness technology project, which accounts for a small part of the overall social studies curriculum in 5th grade. There has been no elimination whatsoever of regular student/teacher communications. This is the most bizarre thing I have read in a long time about FCPS schools - are you sure you're writing about FAIRFAX, and not another county starting with F?

Those who are using Flipped Classroom and Project Based Learning teaching methodologies may not themselves be aware of the degree to which their own student/teacher skills have atrophied, because of lack of use.

Seriously, you sound like a lunatic. I am well aware of what the flipped classroom model and project based learning are and I can guarantee you that in no way does the instruction in my school fit either model. Not even close. Frankly, I wish it did, as I believe both models actually do have the potential to deepen the teacher/ student relationship, in moderation.

Faced with professional criticism, you resort to personal attacks. If you feel the above mentioned methodologies are effective by all means state your case. You need not attack me personally. The problem with these methodologies is they take the teacher out of the learning experience. Then the learned experience is that the students and teachers no longer communicate. Theoretically using these models teachers are supposed to be circulating around the classroom, but the unintended consequence is that teachers simply disengage because they are no longer driving the bus.

This is great for kids who want to chit-chat with their friends all class period, but really bad for kids who want to learn from their teachers.

Anonymous wrote:Our FCPS elementary has the exact same bell schedule as last year with the exception of full day Monday. 8:40-3:20.

Why are some schools changing times and other's are not?

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Anonymous wrote:If those 20 minutes are the make or break point for your kids they need to be in a special class.

So I should just be ok with the school reducing the year by a week and a half less than the minimum requirements b/c it doesn't matter?

It really, really does not matter.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fairfax County residents should be more concerned with the lack of instruction taking place throughout the school day in FCPS classrooms than twenty minutes lost in transit.

FCPS uses Flipped Classroom and Project Based Learning teaching methodologies where actual teacher instruction has been removed from the classroom. Students are given assignments and a final assessment due date. They are then left to work alone or to work in groups to teach themselves the required content and skills.

This works well if your children are very smart, popular, socially-adept, self-starters who easily share and copy the work of other students. If this is your family situation then these teaching models are perfect for your children.

However, if your children need and want genuine and authentic student/teacher/mentor relationships with their classroom teachers you will be sorely disappointed with the instruction they will receive from their FCPS teachers.

When your children return home from school and they begin their homework, please ask them what did their teachers teach or explain to them about the subject matter they are working on. You'll usually find the teacher gave the assignment without first teaching anything whatsoever about the material.

My children want to know and like their teachers. They want to learn from their teachers. They want to communicate with their teachers. They want to bounce their ideas off their teachers and during the learning process, they want their gradual lesson mastery validated by their teachers, but this is no longer available in the FCPS schools. Schools which have adopted Flipped Classroom and Project Based Learning teaching methodologies have eliminated regular classroom student/teacher communications.

It's pretty sad. Their teachers have become distant, detached, and disengaged. It's strange, it's as if their teachers are no longer present in their classrooms. Teachers claim they are present to answer questions, but what they don't realize is by failing actively teach their students they have gradually lost their abilities to communicate with them at all.

Because teachers are not driving the dialog, they find themselves unable to answer essentially basic questions when they are asked. Eventually, they begin to act as if students' questions are troublesome and annoying.

It's sad for the students and the teachers can't feel good about it either.

I am an FCPS teacher and I don't know what you are talking about. We do not use either a flipped classroom or a project-based model, with the exception of the 5th grade global awareness technology project, which accounts for a small part of the overall social studies curriculum in 5th grade. There has been no elimination whatsoever of regular student/teacher communications. This is the most bizarre thing I have read in a long time about FCPS schools - are you sure you're writing about FAIRFAX, and not another county starting with F?

Those who are using Flipped Classroom and Project Based Learning teaching methodologies may not themselves be aware of the degree to which their own student/teacher skills have atrophied, because of lack of use.

Seriously, you sound like a lunatic. I am well aware of what the flipped classroom model and project based learning are and I can guarantee you that in no way does the instruction in my school fit either model. Not even close. Frankly, I wish it did, as I believe both models actually do have the potential to deepen the teacher/ student relationship, in moderation.

Anonymous wrote:Fairfax County residents should be more concerned with the lack of instruction taking place throughout the school day in FCPS classrooms than twenty minutes lost in transit.

FCPS uses Flipped Classroom and Project Based Learning teaching methodologies where actual teacher instruction has been removed from the classroom. Students are given assignments and a final assessment due date. They are then left to work alone or to work in groups to teach themselves the required content and skills.

This works well if your children are very smart, popular, socially-adept, self-starters who easily share and copy the work of other students. If this is your family situation then these teaching models are perfect for your children.

However, if your children need and want genuine and authentic student/teacher/mentor relationships with their classroom teachers you will be sorely disappointed with the instruction they will receive from their FCPS teachers.

When your children return home from school and they begin their homework, please ask them what did their teachers teach or explain to them about the subject matter they are working on. You'll usually find the teacher gave the assignment without first teaching anything whatsoever about the material.

My children want to know and like their teachers. They want to learn from their teachers. They want to communicate with their teachers. They want to bounce their ideas off their teachers and during the learning process, they want their gradual lesson mastery validated by their teachers, but this is no longer available in the FCPS schools. Schools which have adopted Flipped Classroom and Project Based Learning teaching methodologies have eliminated regular classroom student/teacher communications.

It's pretty sad. Their teachers have become distant, detached, and disengaged. It's strange, it's as if their teachers are no longer present in their classrooms. Teachers claim they are present to answer questions, but what they don't realize is by failing actively teach their students they have gradually lost their abilities to communicate with them at all.

Because teachers are not driving the dialog, they find themselves unable to answer essentially basic questions when they are asked. Eventually, they begin to act as if students' questions are troublesome and annoying.

It's sad for the students and the teachers can't feel good about it either.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fairfax County residents should be more concerned with the lack of instruction taking place throughout the school day in FCPS classrooms than twenty minutes lost in transit.

FCPS uses Flipped Classroom and Project Based Learning teaching methodologies where actual teacher instruction has been removed from the classroom. Students are given assignments and a final assessment due date. They are then left to work alone or to work in groups to teach themselves the required content and skills.

This works well if your children are very smart, popular, socially-adept, self-starters who easily share and copy the work of other students. If this is your family situation then these teaching models are perfect for your children.

However, if your children need and want genuine and authentic student/teacher/mentor relationships with their classroom teachers you will be sorely disappointed with the instruction they will receive from their FCPS teachers.

When your children return home from school and they begin their homework, please ask them what did their teachers teach or explain to them about the subject matter they are working on. You'll usually find the teacher gave the assignment without first teaching anything whatsoever about the material.

My children want to know and like their teachers. They want to learn from their teachers. They want to communicate with their teachers. They want to bounce their ideas off their teachers and during the learning process, they want their gradual lesson mastery validated by their teachers, but this is no longer available in the FCPS schools. Schools which have adopted Flipped Classroom and Project Based Learning teaching methodologies have eliminated regular classroom student/teacher communications.

It's pretty sad. Their teachers have become distant, detached, and disengaged. It's strange, it's as if their teachers are no longer present in their classrooms. Teachers claim they are present to answer questions, but what they don't realize is by failing actively teach their students they have gradually lost their abilities to communicate with them at all.

Because teachers are not driving the dialog, they find themselves unable to answer essentially basic questions when they are asked. Eventually, they begin to act as if students' questions are troublesome and annoying.

It's sad for the students and the teachers can't feel good about it either.

I am an FCPS teacher and I don't know what you are talking about. We do not use either a flipped classroom or a project-based model, with the exception of the 5th grade global awareness technology project, which accounts for a small part of the overall social studies curriculum in 5th grade. There has been no elimination whatsoever of regular student/teacher communications. This is the most bizarre thing I have read in a long time about FCPS schools - are you sure you're writing about FAIRFAX, and not another county starting with F?

Those who are using Flipped Classroom and Project Based Learning teaching methodologies may not themselves be aware of the degree to which their own student/teacher skills have atrophied, because of lack of use.

It's sad they have jumped into Flipped Classroom and Project Based Learning models with both feet. They had a system that worked and the students were thriving. Today, they are living on the positive reputation they earned before they changed their teaching model three years ago.

The popular and naturally high achieving students are still doing well, only because even will poor/non-existent instruction they are still able to succeed. However, the students who once depended on their teachers to teach, motive, and mentor them are lost, lonely, and slipping through the cracks.

Worry not - the popular students and the popular teachers currently enjoy a mutual-admiration society. They're going to be fine.

Unfortunately, for students who need and want discussions with their teachers they face nothing but rejection.

Anonymous wrote:
Fairfax County residents should be more concerned with the lack of instruction taking place throughout the school day in FCPS classrooms than twenty minutes lost in transit.

FCPS uses Flipped Classroom and Project Based Learning teaching methodologies where actual teacher instruction has been removed from the classroom. Students are given assignments and a final assessment due date. They are then left to work alone or to work in groups to teach themselves the required content and skills.

This works well if your children are very smart, popular, socially-adept, self-starters who easily share and copy the work of other students. If this is your family situation then these teaching models are perfect for your children.

However, if your children need and want genuine and authentic student/teacher/mentor relationships with their classroom teachers you will be sorely disappointed with the instruction they will receive from their FCPS teachers.

When your children return home from school and they begin their homework, please ask them what did their teachers teach or explain to them about the subject matter they are working on. You'll usually find the teacher gave the assignment without first teaching anything whatsoever about the material.

My children want to know and like their teachers. They want to learn from their teachers. They want to communicate with their teachers. They want to bounce their ideas off their teachers and during the learning process, they want their gradual lesson mastery validated by their teachers, but this is no longer available in the FCPS schools. Schools which have adopted Flipped Classroom and Project Based Learning teaching methodologies have eliminated regular classroom student/teacher communications.

It's pretty sad. Their teachers have become distant, detached, and disengaged. It's strange, it's as if their teachers are no longer present in their classrooms. Teachers claim they are present to answer questions, but what they don't realize is by failing actively teach their students they have gradually lost their abilities to communicate with them at all.

Because teachers are not driving the dialog, they find themselves unable to answer essentially basic questions when they are asked. Eventually, they begin to act as if students' questions are troublesome and annoying.

It's sad for the students and the teachers can't feel good about it either.