jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:This is interesting:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.608108

"In a briefing on Tuesday with reporters, a senior officer of Southern Command said that the IDF had not given the order to evacuate the kibbutzim near the border so as “not to give Hamas a victory.” He emphasized that the IDF was totally capable of defending the civilians there, and that in none of the seven attempts thus far by Hamas to use tunnels for cross-border attacks was there any contact between the Hamas fighters and civilians."

So, neither the tunnels nor the rockets present a true threat to Israeli civilians, who are supposed to remain in their homes so as to "not to give Hamas a victory." Either this is correct and the threat has been greatly exaggerated, or those civilians are "human shields."

Israels ability to defend against a threat doesn't negate the threat. Wearing a bullet proof vest doesn't make it ok to shoot someone.

That's fine, but then perhaps the IDF shouldn't be telling the folks to stay there in order to "not to give Hamas a victory". That's kind of human sheildy.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:This is interesting:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.608108

"In a briefing on Tuesday with reporters, a senior officer of Southern Command said that the IDF had not given the order to evacuate the kibbutzim near the border so as “not to give Hamas a victory.” He emphasized that the IDF was totally capable of defending the civilians there, and that in none of the seven attempts thus far by Hamas to use tunnels for cross-border attacks was there any contact between the Hamas fighters and civilians."

So, neither the tunnels nor the rockets present a true threat to Israeli civilians, who are supposed to remain in their homes so as to "not to give Hamas a victory." Either this is correct and the threat has been greatly exaggerated, or those civilians are "human shields."

Israels ability to defend against a threat doesn't negate the threat. Wearing a bullet proof vest doesn't make it ok to shoot someone.

jsteele wrote:This is interesting:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.608108

"In a briefing on Tuesday with reporters, a senior officer of Southern Command said that the IDF had not given the order to evacuate the kibbutzim near the border so as “not to give Hamas a victory.” He emphasized that the IDF was totally capable of defending the civilians there, and that in none of the seven attempts thus far by Hamas to use tunnels for cross-border attacks was there any contact between the Hamas fighters and civilians."

So, neither the tunnels nor the rockets present a true threat to Israeli civilians, who are supposed to remain in their homes so as to "not to give Hamas a victory." Either this is correct and the threat has been greatly exaggerated, or those civilians are "human shields."

Anonymous wrote:Muslima, you will lose any credibility you may have when you selectively quote from an article. It certainly appears from that CNN piece that Hamas violated the cease fire which lead to Israeli retaliation.

jsteele wrote:Calling the deaths of hundreds of children "a red herring" is indicative of the dehumanization of the Palestinians that is common among Israel's supporters. These dead children were real. They had mothers and fathers. They matter. They are not red herrings.

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nice of you to only quote Hamas, but the rockets continued by Hamas broke the ceasefire as did an attack of IDF soldiers. Hamas broke tjus ceasefire, as it broke the previous 3 ceasefires

Israel bombed the “Al-Salam” area in Gaza 8 minutes into the Ceasefire, 8 freaking minutes. Hamas made it very clear that they would retaliate

Muslima wrote:It was just too beautiful to be true. They broke the cease fire !! I am beyond heartbroken and don't even know where to turn

Civilians are being massacred in Rafah, the majority are women and children that had taken advantage of the 72 hour truce to finally go outside and people who were trying to rejoin their families in Rafah. For sure the kidnapping of an Israeli soldier will be used as an excuse for breaking the ceasefire. The resistance has killed and kidnapped Israeli soldiers only because they have invaded their land and massacred innocent civilians. The kidnapping took place before the ceasefire. Why accept the truce if they intended a massacre operation?This massacre had been planned, they wanted it to happen during the ceasefire, it is then even more barbarian.
They are sending a message of terror to the Gaza people and an insolent message to the International Community "We rule the world, we do what we want when we want and if we wish to carry out a genocide there is nobody on this Earth who can prevent it."

Hamas spokesman Osama Hamdan told CNN that the latest cease-fire attempt between Israel and Hamas made it clear that there was to be no military action whatsoever, and Israel violated it by attacking houses in Rafah. Hamas is still committed to the cease-fire, but will protect itself, he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/01/world/meast/mideast-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nice of you to only quote Hamas, but the rockets continued by Hamas broke the ceasefire as did an attack of IDF soldiers. Hamas broke tjus ceasefire, as it broke the previous 3 ceasefires

Israel bombed the “Al-Salam” area in Gaza 8 minutes into the Ceasefire, 8 freaking minutes. Hamas made it very clear that they would retaliate

Anonymous wrote:Nice of you to only quote Hamas, but the rockets continued by Hamas broke the ceasefire as did an attack of IDF soldiers. Hamas broke tjus ceasefire, as it broke the previous 3 ceasefires

Hamas spokesman Osama Hamdan told CNN that the latest cease-fire attempt between Israel and Hamas made it clear that there was to be no military action whatsoever, and Israel violated it by attacking houses in Rafah. Hamas is still committed to the cease-fire, but will protect itself, he said.