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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Actually, I get a little tired of reading the same tropes over and over again. If I mention the deaths of Palestinian civilians, I get a "counter argument" that goes along the lines of "Do you want more Israelis to die? Is it our fault that we have good bomb shelters?" Which is just absurdly ridiculous. Of course I don't want more Israelis to die! I want Israel to kill fewer Palestinians civilians!

Stop using twisted, insane logic to justify killing civilians -- you have to do it [?!!!?] -- if anyone questions that you do it, that means they want you to die [?!!?] Stop cheering while civilians die. Find your morality. That's what I cam here to say.

http://www.wrmea.org/congress-and-us-aid-to-israel.html
US aid to Israel

WE are paying for these deaths.

So when you ask us to "find our morality," how will that help end this conflict when our tax money is being used to fund this war?

Not OP, but protest. Call/email/write your representatives. Tell them you won't be voting for them if they don't do something.

There are plenty of us who are disgusted by this, we can make a difference. I know AIPAC has a lot of money, but the public has the voting power, if we use it.

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Actually, I get a little tired of reading the same tropes over and over again. If I mention the deaths of Palestinian civilians, I get a "counter argument" that goes along the lines of "Do you want more Israelis to die? Is it our fault that we have good bomb shelters?" Which is just absurdly ridiculous. Of course I don't want more Israelis to die! I want Israel to kill fewer Palestinians civilians!

Stop using twisted, insane logic to justify killing civilians -- you have to do it [?!!!?] -- if anyone questions that you do it, that means they want you to die [?!!?] Stop cheering while civilians die. Find your morality. That's what I cam here to say.

http://www.wrmea.org/congress-and-us-aid-to-israel.html
US aid to Israel

WE are paying for these deaths.

So when you ask us to "find our morality," how will that help end this conflict when our tax money is being used to fund this war?

OP here. Actually, I get a little tired of reading the same tropes over and over again. If I mention the deaths of Palestinian civilians, I get a "counter argument" that goes along the lines of "Do you want more Israelis to die? Is it our fault that we have good bomb shelters?" Which is just absurdly ridiculous. Of course I don't want more Israelis to die! I want Israel to kill fewer Palestinians civilians!

Stop using twisted, insane logic to justify killing civilians -- you have to do it [?!!!?] -- if anyone questions that you do it, that means they want you to die [?!!?] Stop cheering while civilians die. Find your morality. That's what I cam here to say.

So, this thread that began as a quote has devolved quickly into a debate very much like the other 20+ threads on this forum.
Same points, same arguments, same discussion. Nothing new.
Don’t you all get a little tired of saying the same things over and over again?

Anonymous wrote:Arabs exterminating Christians in Iraq . Israel is a million times more proportional than their enemy.

Lumping Arabs together is the same as saying there are black people killing each other in Chicago when someone points out African children are dying of hunger. It is the same as saying White people are responsible for the holocaust, and it is the same rhetoric that is used by people who say Muslims are Terrorists. Lumping a certain group of people together based on race, or religion is not just racist, it is narrow-minded.


Now if you want to discuss what ISIS is doing in Iraq, then be my guest. The difference here is nobody, not a single government or organization in the world is supporting ISIS while the US government and many other European governments have been and are currently supporting Israel's right to "defend" itself against a civilian population.

She was a sociopath who decided to move to Israel so that she could have a stage to do her dirty work without going to jail.

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Anonymous wrote:Arabs exterminating Christians in Iraq . Israel is a million times more proportional than their enemy.

Again, for the billionth time, whatever Arabs are up to in any part of the world is not relevant to a discussion of Israel.

Oh, and "Arabs" are not Israel's enemy. Palestinians are a distinct group, not just generic "Arabs." Arabs are not one big monolithic group, there are many nationalities and ethnic and religious groups that can be described as Arab.

Anonymous wrote:Arabs exterminating Christians in Iraq . Israel is a million times more proportional than their enemy.

Again, for the billionth time, whatever Arabs are up to in any part of the world is not relevant to a discussion of Israel.

Arabs exterminating Christians in Iraq . Israel is a million times more proportional than their enemy.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. You attack me, I fight back. It is called self defense. If someone shoots at you you can use lethal force. Unfortunately, the cowards are using children as shields

But when the Palestinians fight back, it's not self defense, it's "terrorism." The blatant hypocrisy is amazing.

When did Israel fire the first shot int he last 5 years?

By effectively putting a blockade on Gaza, they fired the first shot, said Israel itself......

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Anonymous wrote:I fire back at the people that are firing missiles at me. Oh wait, I need to accept there attacks because they launch and store the missiles in a hospital.

I need to respond proportionally.

Ok, so Israel should indiscriminately fire missiles at civilians instead of targeting known militants and buildings that house rockets.

I don't think you understand what proportionally means. Or you are too obtuse and blind to care.

The reason there are fewer Israeli casualties is because Israel invests its money in protecting its citizens with sirens and bomb shelter - shelters that my family in the south of Israel have virtually lived in for years. Jews dont have to apologize for not dying enough.

Gaza spends its money on weapons and tunnels, the tunnels are estimated to have cost at least $90M. That would have built a lot of bomb shelters.

Whose money is Israel spending to protect its citizens?

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140723/DEFREG04/307230038/Pentagon-Supports-Emergency-225M-Israel-s-Iron-Dome

WASHINGTON — US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel sent a letter to congressional leadership on Tuesday requesting $225 million in additional US funding to accelerate production of Iron Dome missile-defense components to ensure Israel will have adequate stockpiles to protect itself from rockets launched by Hamas militants in Gaza.

That's in addition to the more than $500m already spent by the US. Which is the unclassified number. For a system that the Israelis won't even give the US co production rights to.

They're really #*#&@ up. And we are so stupid for giving them money.

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Anonymous wrote:I fire back at the people that are firing missiles at me. Oh wait, I need to accept there attacks because they launch and store the missiles in a hospital.

I need to respond proportionally.

Ok, so Israel should indiscriminately fire missiles at civilians instead of targeting known militants and buildings that house rockets.

They fire enough that they end up hitting innocent targets anyway. I'm not sure it would be much different.

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Anonymous wrote:I fire back at the people that are firing missiles at me. Oh wait, I need to accept there attacks because they launch and store the missiles in a hospital.

I need to respond proportionally.

Ok, so Israel should indiscriminately fire missiles at civilians instead of targeting known militants and buildings that house rockets.

I don't think you understand what proportionally means. Or you are too obtuse and blind to care.

The reason there are fewer Israeli casualties is because Israel invests its money in protecting its citizens with sirens and bomb shelter - shelters that my family in the south of Israel have virtually lived in for years. Jews dont have to apologize for not dying enough.

Gaza spends its money on weapons and tunnels, the tunnels are estimated to have cost at least $90M. That would have built a lot of bomb shelters.

Whose money is Israel spending to protect its citizens?

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140723/DEFREG04/307230038/Pentagon-Supports-Emergency-225M-Israel-s-Iron-Dome

WASHINGTON — US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel sent a letter to congressional leadership on Tuesday requesting $225 million in additional US funding to accelerate production of Iron Dome missile-defense components to ensure Israel will have adequate stockpiles to protect itself from rockets launched by Hamas militants in Gaza.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. You attack me, I fight back. It is called self defense. If someone shoots at you you can use lethal force. Unfortunately, the cowards are using children as shields

But when the Palestinians fight back, it's not self defense, it's "terrorism." The blatant hypocrisy is amazing.

When did Israel fire the first shot int he last 5 years?

Violence (including psychological, isolation, etc) exists in many forms, not just in the forms of a "shot."

So you admit, Israel is not directly and physically attacking Gaza before the rocket fire?

The same old ridiculous arguments about who fired the first shot, who suffered the most, who spilled the most blood. THIS IS SENSELESS.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. You attack me, I fight back. It is called self defense. If someone shoots at you you can use lethal force. Unfortunately, the cowards are using children as shields

But when the Palestinians fight back, it's not self defense, it's "terrorism." The blatant hypocrisy is amazing.

When did Israel fire the first shot int he last 5 years?

Violence (including psychological, isolation, etc) exists in many forms, not just in the forms of a "shot."

So you admit, Israel is not directly and physically attacking Gaza before the rocket fire?

Displacing people is an attack. What did the Palestinians do to the Israelis to warrant displacement?