Hamas justifies attackes on unarmed israelis. Jeff Steele, the owner of the forum talks about how he understands how one could get pushed to the point of firing rockets.

I would like the following to happen:

1) The Gaza Government to recognize Israel's right to exist (Hamas wants Israel out).

2) Israel end the blockade of Gaza. Israel can not do that until the flow of weapons stop.

3) The people of Gaza and the west bank have a homeland. It can be the same homeland, or it could be two separate countries...that is for them to decide.

4) Israel plan for the withdrawal of settlements from the west bank

However, none of this can happen when rockets are being indiscriminately into Israel.

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can buy it back....Prior to the formation of Israel, the jews purchased much of the land on the costal plain; at the partition, jews were 52% of the population defined as Israel. They migrated to the land.

Upon Israeli independence, she was attacked on all sides. Many of the Palestinians fled the land as refugees to wait out the war, until the arab nations destroyed Israel. In fact, Israel won the war, and concurred territory. The only land that was "stolen" was that which was vacated at the start of the war.

False. By 1920 Jews owned only 2% of Palestine. By 1948 when Israel declared itself a state, the Jews had increased their land ownership; but IT WAS STILL LESS THAN 6%.

Robin Miller in "The Expulsion of the Palestinians 1947-1948, says, "Before 1948, Jews owned only 1.5 million of the 26 million dunams of land in Palestine . . . After the eviction of the Palestinians, Israel controlled 20 million dunams, an increase from 6% to 77% of the total. They simply stole an entire country."

This only deals with privately owned jewish land vs all other land. How much want owned by government (British) and turned over the UN then Israel? I can not find that number.

The booklet "Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict" by Jews for Justice in the Middle East states that "in 1948, at the moment that Israel declared itself a state, it legally owned a little more than 6% of the land of Palestine. Of the estimated 950,000 Arabs that lived in the territory that became Israel before the war,[28] over 80% fled or were expelled; some 156,000 remained.

Anonymous wrote:And you guys will do anything to justify terrorism. That is why Israel is fighting.

Can you show me where terrorism was justified? There is a difference between explaining why something is occurring without condoning it and rationalizing it.

And you guys will do anything to justify terrorism. That is why Israel is fighting.

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can buy it back....Prior to the formation of Israel, the jews purchased much of the land on the costal plain; at the partition, jews were 52% of the population defined as Israel. They migrated to the land.

Upon Israeli independence, she was attacked on all sides. Many of the Palestinians fled the land as refugees to wait out the war, until the arab nations destroyed Israel. In fact, Israel won the war, and concurred territory. The only land that was "stolen" was that which was vacated at the start of the war.

False. By 1920 Jews owned only 2% of Palestine. By 1948 when Israel declared itself a state, the Jews had increased their land ownership; but IT WAS STILL LESS THAN 6%.

Robin Miller in "The Expulsion of the Palestinians 1947-1948, says, "Before 1948, Jews owned only 1.5 million of the 26 million dunams of land in Palestine . . . After the eviction of the Palestinians, Israel controlled 20 million dunams, an increase from 6% to 77% of the total. They simply stole an entire country."

This only deals with privately owned jewish land vs all other land. How much want owned by government (British) and turned over the UN then Israel? I can not find that number.

Why do you think the British would own more than a negligible amount of land to begin with? You guys will do anything to rationalize this particular theft, huh?

Anonymous wrote:I think the difference is the Palestinians fled. The jews had no place to go. So, they stayed and fought. By fleeing Israel, they gave up the rights to be considered Israeli.

So, if I break into your house with a gun, and have no place to go, and you flee because you don't want me to kill you, that gives me a right to your house? Cool.

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can buy it back....Prior to the formation of Israel, the jews purchased much of the land on the costal plain; at the partition, jews were 52% of the population defined as Israel. They migrated to the land.

Upon Israeli independence, she was attacked on all sides. Many of the Palestinians fled the land as refugees to wait out the war, until the arab nations destroyed Israel. In fact, Israel won the war, and concurred territory. The only land that was "stolen" was that which was vacated at the start of the war.

False. By 1920 Jews owned only 2% of Palestine. By 1948 when Israel declared itself a state, the Jews had increased their land ownership; but IT WAS STILL LESS THAN 6%.

Robin Miller in "The Expulsion of the Palestinians 1947-1948, says, "Before 1948, Jews owned only 1.5 million of the 26 million dunams of land in Palestine . . . After the eviction of the Palestinians, Israel controlled 20 million dunams, an increase from 6% to 77% of the total. They simply stole an entire country."

This only deals with privately owned jewish land vs all other land. How much want owned by government (British) and turned over the UN then Israel? I can not find that number.

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can buy it back....Prior to the formation of Israel, the jews purchased much of the land on the costal plain; at the partition, jews were 52% of the population defined as Israel. They migrated to the land.

Upon Israeli independence, she was attacked on all sides. Many of the Palestinians fled the land as refugees to wait out the war, until the arab nations destroyed Israel. In fact, Israel won the war, and concurred territory. The only land that was "stolen" was that which was vacated at the start of the war.

False. By 1920 Jews owned only 2% of Palestine. By 1948 when Israel declared itself a state, the Jews had increased their land ownership; but IT WAS STILL LESS THAN 6%.

Robin Miller in "The Expulsion of the Palestinians 1947-1948, says, "Before 1948, Jews owned only 1.5 million of the 26 million dunams of land in Palestine . . . After the eviction of the Palestinians, Israel controlled 20 million dunams, an increase from 6% to 77% of the total. They simply stole an entire country."

Jews bought the land that Israelis were living on in 1948. that is a fact.

I think the difference is the Palestinians fled. The jews had no place to go. So, they stayed and fought. By fleeing Israel, they gave up the rights to be considered Israeli.

Anonymous wrote:You can buy it back....Prior to the formation of Israel, the jews purchased much of the land on the costal plain; at the partition, jews were 52% of the population defined as Israel. They migrated to the land.

Upon Israeli independence, she was attacked on all sides. Many of the Palestinians fled the land as refugees to wait out the war, until the arab nations destroyed Israel. In fact, Israel won the war, and concurred territory. The only land that was "stolen" was that which was vacated at the start of the war.

False. By 1920 Jews owned only 2% of Palestine. By 1948 when Israel declared itself a state, the Jews had increased their land ownership; but IT WAS STILL LESS THAN 6%.

Robin Miller in "The Expulsion of the Palestinians 1947-1948, says, "Before 1948, Jews owned only 1.5 million of the 26 million dunams of land in Palestine . . . After the eviction of the Palestinians, Israel controlled 20 million dunams, an increase from 6% to 77% of the total. They simply stole an entire country."

Anonymous wrote:You can buy it back....Prior to the formation of Israel, the jews purchased much of the land on the costal plain; at the partition, jews were 52% of the population defined as Israel. They migrated to the land.

Upon Israeli independence, she was attacked on all sides. Many of the Palestinians fled the land as refugees to wait out the war, until the arab nations destroyed Israel. In fact, Israel won the war, and concurred territory. The only land that was "stolen" was that which was vacated at the start of the war.

Please explain to me how the act of you leaving a temporarily hostile environment equals to you giving up all property claims to your house and land. How?

Why is it wrong to flee a country gripped by war for the safety of your family until conditions get better? Why does it mean that you have voided all you have?

In addition, Israel has made a huge, militarized effort to "help" Palestinians flee, expelling whole villages, sometimes on foot, bringing the total expelled population count to half a million plus. Israeli historians acknowledge that.

Many Palestinians also fled the country out of fear of Jewish violence as the paramilitary, government-associated gangs like Irgun were given free rein.

I don't understand how you have mentally negotiated yourself into the space that these acts are appropriate or defensible.

You can buy it back....Prior to the formation of Israel, the jews purchased much of the land on the costal plain; at the partition, jews were 52% of the population defined as Israel. They migrated to the land.

Upon Israeli independence, she was attacked on all sides. Many of the Palestinians fled the land as refugees to wait out the war, until the arab nations destroyed Israel. In fact, Israel won the war, and concurred territory. The only land that was "stolen" was that which was vacated at the start of the war.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:THERE NEVER WAS A STATE OF PALESTINE! THE ONLY LOCALLY GOVERNED PRE-WWII NATION WAS THE ISRAELITES, PRE-ROMAN!

So does this mean I can claim land that my ancestors lived on, 2000+ years ago, and kick out the current dwellers? SWEET.

Actually, I take that back. It wouldn't be sweet. It would be pretty darn asshole-ish of me. Thankfully I'm a decent human being and don't base current decency based on stuff from thousands of years ago.

Anonymous wrote:THERE NEVER WAS A STATE OF PALESTINE! THE ONLY LOCALLY GOVERNED PRE-WWII NATION WAS THE ISRAELITES, PRE-ROMAN!

So does this mean I can claim land that my ancestors lived on, 2000+ years ago, and kick out the current dwellers? SWEET.

Anonymous wrote:THERE NEVER WAS A STATE OF PALESTINE! THE ONLY LOCALLY GOVERNED PRE-WWII NATION WAS THE ISRAELITES, PRE-ROMAN!

OMG MORON PEOPLE STILL CARE ABOUT THE LAND THEY FARMED FOR 1000 YEARS EVEN THOUGH THEY DID NOT HAVE ONE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT!!!