Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tunnels into Egypt to smuggle food (alongside weapons) were one matter. The new Egyptian government shut down 90% of these before the current conflict.

Another matter entirely are Hamas terror tunnels INTO Israel. I can see no purpose for these tunnels, other than offensive terrorist activity (and Hamas is, after all, a terrorist organization). Don't you agree?

Now we know the real reason why Gazans were so desperate for more cement. They only know violent terrorism.

And what is the purpose of the settlements in Gaza? What is the purpose of the siege and ongoing illegal occupation by Israel and terrorization of Palestinians in the occupied territories? To give them candies & flowers?

There are no Israeli settlements in Gaza.

There were some, but we graciously gave the entire Gaza Strip back to the PA, after forcibly evicting the Israeli settlers there. Talk about being forced off your land!

And what was given to Israel in exchange for this generous concession?

- desecration of holy Synogogues

-Near constant terrorist rocket and mortar attacks

- take over by designated terrorist organization Hamas.

When the terror rockets and terror tunneling stops, only then can a viable cease fire be discussed.

Why is Gaza "your land"? Why is returning someone's property a "generous concession"?

http://www.theocracywatch.org/christian_zionism_israel_forms.htm
Are you serious Muslima?

Anonymous wrote:Muslima, did not the UN help to create Israel? So, I guess you believe in the sanctity of Israel's original borders as mandated by the UN? Do you recocognize Israel's right to exist?

You might want to read this http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/10/26/the-myth-of-the-u-n-creation-of-israel/ if you think the UN "created" Israel.

Muslima, did not the UN help to create Israel? So, I guess you believe in the sanctity of Israel's original borders as mandated by the UN? Do you recocognize Israel's right to exist?

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tunnels into Egypt to smuggle food (alongside weapons) were one matter. The new Egyptian government shut down 90% of these before the current conflict.

Another matter entirely are Hamas terror tunnels INTO Israel. I can see no purpose for these tunnels, other than offensive terrorist activity (and Hamas is, after all, a terrorist organization). Don't you agree?

Now we know the real reason why Gazans were so desperate for more cement. They only know violent terrorism.

And what is the purpose of the settlements in Gaza? What is the purpose of the siege and ongoing illegal occupation by Israel and terrorization of Palestinians in the occupied territories? To give them candies & flowers?

There are no Israeli settlements in Gaza.

There were some, but we graciously gave the entire Gaza Strip back to the PA, after forcibly evicting the Israeli settlers there. Talk about being forced off your land!

And what was given to Israel in exchange for this generous concession?

- desecration of holy Synogogues

-Near constant terrorist rocket and mortar attacks

- take over by designated terrorist organization Hamas.

When the terror rockets and terror tunneling stops, only then can a viable cease fire be discussed.

Anonymous wrote:I guess you are the judge... illegal occupation.... The Jewish people occupied these lands during biblical times. Shouldn't they get credit for that?

Not me, International Law and the UN said so.

Tunnels into Egypt to smuggle in supplies may be one thing but I doubt the tunnels into Israel were there to bring in supplies. Jsteele, your bias is quite evident.

I guess you are the judge... illegal occupation.... The Jewish people occupied these lands during biblical times. Shouldn't they get credit for that?

Anonymous wrote:Illegal occupation by IsRAEL?

Corrected that for you

Illegal occupation of IsRAEL?

Anonymous wrote:Tunnels into Egypt to smuggle food (alongside weapons) were one matter. The new Egyptian government shut down 90% of these before the current conflict.

Another matter entirely are Hamas terror tunnels INTO Israel. I can see no purpose for these tunnels, other than offensive terrorist activity (and Hamas is, after all, a terrorist organization). Don't you agree?

Now we know the real reason why Gazans were so desperate for more cement. They only know violent terrorism.

And what is the purpose of the settlements in Gaza? What is the purpose of the siege and ongoing illegal occupation by Israel and terrorization of Palestinians in the occupied territories? To give them candies & flowers?

Tunnels into Egypt to smuggle food (alongside weapons) were one matter. The new Egyptian government shut down 90% of these before the current conflict.

Another matter entirely are Hamas terror tunnels INTO Israel. I can see no purpose for these tunnels, other than offensive terrorist activity (and Hamas is, after all, a terrorist organization). Don't you agree?

Now we know the real reason why Gazans were so desperate for more cement. They only know violent terrorism.

So in other words, Netanyahu speaking to news networks doesn't suffice. Per usual, when you are wrong, you resort to personal insult.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Netanyahu apparently spoke of these terror tunnels on CNN, CBS, NBC, and Fox:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/27/israel-pm-netanyahu-tells-us-talkshows-hamas-violated-own-ceasefire

For the umpteenth time, nobody disputes the existence of tunnels. My question regards that allegation made in the original post of this thread -- that hundreds of Palestinians would use the tunnels to attack civilians on Rosh Hashanah.

This is an extremely sensational allegation. This is the second thread posted on DCUM about that specific plan for an attack. I think it is entirely reasonable to ask for an authoritative source for this allegation that has now been posted twice.

Does anybody know of such a source or not?

So let's say the number is wrong, and say, five Palestinians crawled out of a tunnel in Israeili military uniforms, and this time were not met by Israeli soldiers. And those Palestinians murdered a bunch of Israeli men, women, and children, and kidnapped others. Would The IDF have lied because there were only 5 and not hundreds?

You tend to focus on inane details when you know you are wrong.

I'm sorry, but you apparently have limitations on your intellectual abilities and I am no longer going to entertain this discussion with you. The only one I have accused of lying is you because you misrepresented things that I said. Since I have not seen a statement about the alleged attack from Netanyahu, the IDF, or the Israeli government, I have not and cannot accuse any of them of lying.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:jsteele, were you on here criticizing when Palestinians killed Israeli civilians blowing up restaurants, hotels, or buses?

I don't believe this forum existed when that was happening. But, I certainly did criticize that practice. I oppose all attacks on civilians. But, this is a very strange question for this particular thread. Are you suggesting that simply because I ask for authoritative sources for sensational allegations that I must support the killing of innocent civilians? That would be a really weird thought process.

A really weird thought process is knowing these attacks occurred, saying you denounce them, they denying they can happen again via use of these tunnels...

Why is that a weird thought process? There is no relationship between suicide attacks by individual perpetrators years ago and an attack by hundreds (or a thousand depending on the version of the story) this year. Also, I am not saying that such attacks could not happen. I am saying that I believe it is unlikely that such attacks were planned and I am asking for an authoritative source for the allegation.

I hope it is clear to everyone that simply asking for support for an allegation gets one labeled as a supporter of suicide attacks. If we don't readily accept any fantastic story spewed by the pro-Israel crowd, we must be terrorist sympathizers. Sad really.