Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I have stood by watching and somewhat supporting Israel's desire and right to defend themselves however no more. They have taken off the gloves so to speak and behaved as terrorists themselves. Killing over ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY YOUNG INNOCENT CHILDREN......SHAME ON THEM. They will pay the ultimate price in how they are garnering such world hate.

I can imagine if ONE Israeli child was killed...what would be happening. I am devastated and so saddened to see what has happened.

Most of the world aware of what's happening feels the same way. I can't imagine how the average Israeli copes knowing theirs is now the most reviled country on the planet by a wide margin. It is a terrible cycle because the Palestinians deserve their land back, but then who would want former Israelis living among them knowing how they've behaved?

An average Israeli copes very well because he or she has been taught since childhood that the world is against us and we need to defend ourselves and this land is ours to begin with and Palestinians, there is no such thing, and besides, the Middle East is full of Arab countries, why don't they go and live there?

You would love that, wouldn't you? Won't happen, we are here to stay and one day Palestine will be free!!!! And keep living in that illusion that the world is here to get you, Paranoia much?

I don't think pp is actually speaking from the Israeli viewpoint, she's explaining it.

He/she used the pronoun "We" so I understood it as he/she being part of the "we"

I am the PP you quoted and yes, I posted it with all due sarcasm and simplification of what Israelis are taught. I'm actually on your side. There was no need to go all nuclear on me.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I actually am well versed with the data. The title of this thread is "Israel is doing what Hitler did ...".
Is it? Really? Hitler?

The negative vibe on this thread and others similar to it seems to me to be too out of line of reasonableness.

Hitler - $20M people killed in WW2.

Conflicts today in the arab world of arabs killing other arabs - in the 100,000s

Not that 1000 people is a small number, but the title of this thread is ridiculous. I am truly sorry you do not see it, as I like your work building such a useful service. Plus, the families of these 1000 people need to ask for the root reason for their unfortunate death.
In my view, it is the result of a severe lack of good leadership.

Best wishes.

Holy moving the goalposts, Batman! You never even mentioned the subject of this thread or Hitler in your earlier post. You only compared what is happening in Gaza to what is happening elsewhere in the middle east. Now, you want to compare a week in Gaza to years in the entire Arab world, plus Hitler.

I would argue that 1000 dead over this period of time is comparable to bad weeks in other conflicts. I've argued myself in this forum that it is wrong to compare what Israel is doing to what Hitler did. If you want to argue that 1000 dead is not important because Hitler was worse, or whatever it is you are trying to argue, go ahead. But, don't act like you were arguing something completely different when someone calls you on it.

Sorry that you feel that the goalposts are being moved. The only reason I posted is I was provoked by the title.

Plus, this really is not a game, you know. This is an important argument and lives are at stakes in the big picture.

A little background:

My mother was born in Iraq. A bit after Israel creation, law in Iraq changed such as Jews will not be able to own property. They had to leave, or else. My mom (as a teenager) and her parents had to live in a tent for 3 years as refugees in Israel - the place that accepted them. So yes, there were about 500K refugees on the Arab side, but there were about that number refugees on the Jewish side coming from Arab countries (my dad btw had to leave Egypt) into Israel.

A quick comment before I get to the important part: I appreciate the Arab countries for forcing the Jews to move but not killing them. This is much better than what happen to my wife's family - almost all were killed in Poland by Hitler.

The core of the problem can be found in leadership, or lack thereof. In the bottom-line test of time over the last 65 years, it seems the Israeli side had good enough leadership that helped it make a first-world country with standard of living higher than about the lower third of Europe (no small fit), and a country at the edge of technology and modernization. I hope the Palestinian side will get better leadership as with it they could do as well. But their leadership seems stuck, interested in killing Israelis more than they are interested in the future of their own children. One day, this will change and great things can happen in Gaza.

Check you data about the latest tunnels. As opposed to the tunnels into Egypt that had economic reasons, the current tunnels had only a single reason - to kill as many civilian Israelis as possible. Check what kind of resources were required to do that, and imagine what could have been done positively with the same kind of resources invested in the people of Gaza.

One can always blame others. My parents did not blame anybody. They worked hard all their lives (they are in their 80s) and built a country that provides them good life. The Arab countries started from better conditions (Egypt or Syria did not need to fight for their own survival), and look where they are today - all of it a question of leadership (or lack thereof).

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I have stood by watching and somewhat supporting Israel's desire and right to defend themselves however no more. They have taken off the gloves so to speak and behaved as terrorists themselves. Killing over ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY YOUNG INNOCENT CHILDREN......SHAME ON THEM. They will pay the ultimate price in how they are garnering such world hate.

I can imagine if ONE Israeli child was killed...what would be happening. I am devastated and so saddened to see what has happened.

Most of the world aware of what's happening feels the same way. I can't imagine how the average Israeli copes knowing theirs is now the most reviled country on the planet by a wide margin. It is a terrible cycle because the Palestinians deserve their land back, but then who would want former Israelis living among them knowing how they've behaved?

An average Israeli copes very well because he or she has been taught since childhood that the world is against us and we need to defend ourselves and this land is ours to begin with and Palestinians, there is no such thing, and besides, the Middle East is full of Arab countries, why don't they go and live there?

You would love that, wouldn't you? Won't happen, we are here to stay and one day Palestine will be free!!!! And keep living in that illusion that the world is here to get you, Paranoia much?

I don't think pp is actually speaking from the Israeli viewpoint, she's explaining it.

He/she used the pronoun "We" so I understood it as he/she being part of the "we"

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I have stood by watching and somewhat supporting Israel's desire and right to defend themselves however no more. They have taken off the gloves so to speak and behaved as terrorists themselves. Killing over ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY YOUNG INNOCENT CHILDREN......SHAME ON THEM. They will pay the ultimate price in how they are garnering such world hate.

I can imagine if ONE Israeli child was killed...what would be happening. I am devastated and so saddened to see what has happened.

Most of the world aware of what's happening feels the same way. I can't imagine how the average Israeli copes knowing theirs is now the most reviled country on the planet by a wide margin. It is a terrible cycle because the Palestinians deserve their land back, but then who would want former Israelis living among them knowing how they've behaved?

An average Israeli copes very well because he or she has been taught since childhood that the world is against us and we need to defend ourselves and this land is ours to begin with and Palestinians, there is no such thing, and besides, the Middle East is full of Arab countries, why don't they go and live there?

You would love that, wouldn't you? Won't happen, we are here to stay and one day Palestine will be free!!!! And keep living in that illusion that the world is here to get you, Paranoia much?

I don't think pp is actually speaking from the Israeli viewpoint, she's explaining it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I have stood by watching and somewhat supporting Israel's desire and right to defend themselves however no more. They have taken off the gloves so to speak and behaved as terrorists themselves. Killing over ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY YOUNG INNOCENT CHILDREN......SHAME ON THEM. They will pay the ultimate price in how they are garnering such world hate.

I can imagine if ONE Israeli child was killed...what would be happening. I am devastated and so saddened to see what has happened.

Most of the world aware of what's happening feels the same way. I can't imagine how the average Israeli copes knowing theirs is now the most reviled country on the planet by a wide margin. It is a terrible cycle because the Palestinians deserve their land back, but then who would want former Israelis living among them knowing how they've behaved?

An average Israeli copes very well because he or she has been taught since childhood that the world is against us and we need to defend ourselves and this land is ours to begin with and Palestinians, there is no such thing, and besides, the Middle East is full of Arab countries, why don't they go and live there?

You would love that, wouldn't you? Won't happen, we are here to stay and one day Palestine will be free!!!! And keep living in that illusion that the world is here to get you, Paranoia much?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I have stood by watching and somewhat supporting Israel's desire and right to defend themselves however no more. They have taken off the gloves so to speak and behaved as terrorists themselves. Killing over ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY YOUNG INNOCENT CHILDREN......SHAME ON THEM. They will pay the ultimate price in how they are garnering such world hate.

I can imagine if ONE Israeli child was killed...what would be happening. I am devastated and so saddened to see what has happened.

Most of the world aware of what's happening feels the same way. I can't imagine how the average Israeli copes knowing theirs is now the most reviled country on the planet by a wide margin. It is a terrible cycle because the Palestinians deserve their land back, but then who would want former Israelis living among them knowing how they've behaved?

An average Israeli copes very well because he or she has been taught since childhood that the world is against us and we need to defend ourselves and this land is ours to begin with and Palestinians, there is no such thing, and besides, the Middle East is full of Arab countries, why don't they go and live there?

Anonymous wrote:
I actually am well versed with the data. The title of this thread is "Israel is doing what Hitler did ...".
Is it? Really? Hitler?

The negative vibe on this thread and others similar to it seems to me to be too out of line of reasonableness.

Hitler - $20M people killed in WW2.

Conflicts today in the arab world of arabs killing other arabs - in the 100,000s

Not that 1000 people is a small number, but the title of this thread is ridiculous. I am truly sorry you do not see it, as I like your work building such a useful service. Plus, the families of these 1000 people need to ask for the root reason for their unfortunate death.
In my view, it is the result of a severe lack of good leadership.

Best wishes.

Holy moving the goalposts, Batman! You never even mentioned the subject of this thread or Hitler in your earlier post. You only compared what is happening in Gaza to what is happening elsewhere in the middle east. Now, you want to compare a week in Gaza to years in the entire Arab world, plus Hitler.

I would argue that 1000 dead over this period of time is comparable to bad weeks in other conflicts. I've argued myself in this forum that it is wrong to compare what Israel is doing to what Hitler did. If you want to argue that 1000 dead is not important because Hitler was worse, or whatever it is you are trying to argue, go ahead. But, don't act like you were arguing something completely different when someone calls you on it.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should all go and check your data.

Remind me how many people were killed by arabs in Syria just in the last couple of yeara? Was it because of Israel?

How many were killed by arabs in Iraq? Was that Israel too?

How many were killed by arabs all through the middle east and beyond?

One has to understand that if Israelis were really interested in killing Palestinians, then the number of dead would be higher than the two examples above, not a small fraction.

Plus, next time think about what would you do when someone rains rockets on your city.

You need to check your data as well. Those other situations are tragic and of course I condemn the killing. But, the death toll in Gaza has exceeded 1,000 now. That would be a lot of deaths in such a short time period in either Syria or Iraq. The comparison to those conflicts no longer reflects positively on Israel. Israel has literally reached the level of Assad and ISIS.

Which country do you think this photo is from? It could be Syria, Iraq, or Gaza. It is Gaza:

I actually am well versed with the data. The title of this thread is "Israel is doing what Hitler did ...".
Is it? Really? Hitler?

The negative vibe on this thread and others similar to it seems to me to be too out of line of reasonableness.

Hitler - $20M people killed in WW2.

Conflicts today in the arab world of arabs killing other arabs - in the 100,000s

Not that 1000 people is a small number, but the title of this thread is ridiculous. I am truly sorry you do not see it, as I like your work building such a useful service. Plus, the families of these 1000 people need to ask for the root reason for their unfortunate death.
In my view, it is the result of a severe lack of good leadership.

Best wishes.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


But Israeli lives *are* more valuable. We were chosen by God, and there's no getting around that fact.

what God is that? One that creates people who are not worth the same?
You would have had peace long ago if you had swapped your holy books to the book about Whinney the Pooh

PP was probably being sarcastic.

I am sure he was being sarcastic but the sad irony is that the Israelis really do believe their lives are more important and worthy than that of a Palestinian civilian. Sad sad sad.

Pp was not being sarcastic.
God created those people and without His will they would not even exist. So let God solve the problem.

If they still exist, then perhaps you are not that special after all. Anybody can do what you do

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


But Israeli lives *are* more valuable. We were chosen by God, and there's no getting around that fact.

what God is that? One that creates people who are not worth the same?
You would have had peace long ago if you had swapped your holy books to the book about Whinney the Pooh

PP was probably being sarcastic.

I am sure he was being sarcastic but the sad irony is that the Israelis really do believe their lives are more important and worthy than that of a Palestinian civilian. Sad sad sad.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


But Israeli lives *are* more valuable. We were chosen by God, and there's no getting around that fact.

what God is that? One that creates people who are not worth the same?
You would have had peace long ago if you had swapped your holy books to the book about Whinney the Pooh

PP was probably being sarcastic.

Anonymous wrote:


But Israeli lives *are* more valuable. We were chosen by God, and there's no getting around that fact.

what God is that? One that creates people who are not worth the same?
You would have had peace long ago if you had swapped your holy books to the book about Whinney the Pooh

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Why don't you educate me? I asked a question.

I don't know a lot about this situation but I see plenty of asshole posts like these and worse supporting the Palestinians with no convincing logical arguments, on most of the threads about this topic. They aren't helping convince anyone you are right.

It's a bit much to expect someone to explain the entire Israel-Palestine conflict in a DCUM post. Here is a good starting point that has been discussed in another thread:

http://www.vox.com/2014/7/17/5902177/9-questions-about-the-israel-palestine-conflict-you-were-too

Current attempts to achieve peace have concentrated on a two-state solution in which Israel would keep most of the the land within its pre-1967 borders and the Palestinians would get the West Bank and Gaza. However, there is not a consensus within Israel for such a plan because of a desire to hold on to the Palestinian territories. Similarly, there is not complete support for a two-state solution among Palestinians, though there is probably enough support to achieve such a solution. In addition, by encouraging settlement activity, Israel is creating facts on the ground which make giving up the West Bank even more difficult. The Oslo Agreement was meant to lead to such a two-state solution, but was never implemented. Both sides blame the other for the failure of implementation.

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Palestinians are not the world's first dispossessed people, but they are the first to be asked to legitimize what happened to them.

OMG, there is nothing unique about their situation. The only thing unique about it is that they cannot tolerate living with, beside or in another country -- Israel. Can you imagine if people behaved this way when Pakistan was created, or any of the other countries that were created or dissolved in just the last 100 years? It's a ridiculous argument.

They are not living "with" or "beside" Israel, Israel is occupying their land and limiting their ability to live, even in Gaza.

Isn't that because of the actions of the Palestinians?

Please go educate yourself about this conflict before you start commenting....

Why don't you educate me? I asked a question.

I don't know a lot about this situation but I see plenty of asshole posts like these and worse supporting the Palestinians with no convincing logical arguments, on most of the threads about this topic. They aren't helping convince anyone you are right.

I am sorry, I was not trying to be an asshole. I said go educate yourself because this is 60 year old conflict and it would be hard to educate someone about it in 5 minutes on a Forum. You need to at least know the basics, how it started, why it is ongoing to understand the current situation. How about you watch this video that I shared yesterday? It was done by Americans & Israelis and explains it very well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8twvXHUNrXY&app=desktop

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Palestinians are not the world's first dispossessed people, but they are the first to be asked to legitimize what happened to them.

OMG, there is nothing unique about their situation. The only thing unique about it is that they cannot tolerate living with, beside or in another country -- Israel. Can you imagine if people behaved this way when Pakistan was created, or any of the other countries that were created or dissolved in just the last 100 years? It's a ridiculous argument.

They are not living "with" or "beside" Israel, Israel is occupying their land and limiting their ability to live, even in Gaza.

Isn't that because of the actions of the Palestinians?

Please go educate yourself about this conflict before you start commenting....

Why don't you educate me? I asked a question.

I don't know a lot about this situation but I see plenty of asshole posts like these and worse supporting the Palestinians with no convincing logical arguments, on most of the threads about this topic. They aren't helping convince anyone you are right.