Anonymous
Post 07/20/2014 23:42     Subject: Re:If I had been a Holocaust survivor, I would want an Israel too, but
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Good article about the Israeli psyche and how the Israeli Jews justify their own crimes against humanity.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/20/gaza-occupation-occupier-israelis-peace


A couple of points.
Israel is not strong, it is heavily aided by the US.
Israel can not fully defend herself without the US.
Palestinians were not the enemy, Israelis made them into the enemy. The real enemy was Germany and Israel CAN NOT FIGHT GERMANY (in all ways).
Israel is projecting anger onto the Palestinians, and that makes Israel feel strong.
Even if Israel looks at other past enemies like Russia, Poland, Romania, Austria, France, England... she could not fight them.


The Palestinians have made themselves into the enemy.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2014 23:39     Subject: If I had been a Holocaust survivor, I would want an Israel too, but
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The Western countries created Israel. They basically took the problem of Europe and threw in in Asia.

No one asked the permission of Palestine and other Arab countries to take their land and create Israel.

So, there is no way the bloodshed will ever stop. And there is no way that this violence and terrorism will not effect US and Europe as well.

When you take away everything from people - they have nothing left to live for. These people become terrorists and suicide bombers because the worst has already happened to them.


The vast majority of people in history have not reacted to change in this way. The history of America is built on people who came here after they "had everything taken away from them" and decided to start over, make the most of life and what the world had to offer.

Sorry, there is no excuse for their behavior.


America was a land of opportunity for Europeans. People came with their families and had something to live for. They had less in Europe to live for and more opportunities here. They won this land by killing the native Americans. So - not the same circumstances and the rule of the gun won the west for the White man here as well.
THis wonderful land was won by the slave labor of blacks and by snatching the land of the Native Americans.

In the middle east - If you bomb civilians and kill the entire families, then the survivor have nothing to live for. He will kill people responsible for the destruction of his family. Every time there is collateral damage by US or NATO forces or Israel - I shudder to think how many more terrorists who have nothing to live for have been created.

Their behavior is very excusable. If I was the parent of the 4 kids killed in the bombing - I would do everything I could to destroy those responsible. I would have nothing else to live for but revenge.

That is the reason , you can never win against terrorists. You can win against an army - but they are not playing that game anymore, are they? So, we have no idea where they will strike. And millions of US dollars that could have have been spend on Education, Economy, Environment - is being spend on trying to fight a shadow enemy who has nothing to live for. What can we bargain and negotiate with, when most have nothing to live for!

Besides - Holocaust was a European phenomenon, so Israel should be carved out of Germany or some place in Europe. Maybe US can hand over some parts of Utah to the Israelis, or let all of them immigrate to the US. Why not? We are letting everyone else migrate here anyways.


The bolded statement is you (and maybe the Palestinians, who knows) but again, it's not the way most people react.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2014 23:14     Subject: If I had been a Holocaust survivor, I would want an Israel too, but
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hamas spends their money on bombs, missiles and building tunnels. Then they wage war on israel and you blame israel for not building safe havens for the Palestinians?

If the iron dome didn't exist and the death toll was more even, would you still call israel the aggressor?

Israel is damned no matter what they do. They are a tiny little country surrounded by millions of Arabs who want nothing more than to see its demise.


I didn't see anything about the demise of Israel in any of the ten terms related to the truce. I did see that they want fishing rights. Are fishing rights anti-semitic?


Are you denying that the Arab world (minus the saudis and Jordan) doesn't want israel wiped off the map? Several posters on DCUM want that!

The Likud charter says Gaza is a part of Israel. Whee, Israelis want Gaza wiped off the map.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2014 23:06     Subject: If I had been a Holocaust survivor, I would want an Israel too, but
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hamas spends their money on bombs, missiles and building tunnels. Then they wage war on israel and you blame israel for not building safe havens for the Palestinians?

If the iron dome didn't exist and the death toll was more even, would you still call israel the aggressor?

Israel is damned no matter what they do. They are a tiny little country surrounded by millions of Arabs who want nothing more than to see its demise.


I didn't see anything about the demise of Israel in any of the ten terms related to the truce. I did see that they want fishing rights. Are fishing rights anti-semitic?


Are you denying that the Arab world (minus the saudis and Jordan) doesn't want israel wiped off the map? Several posters on DCUM want that!
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2014 23:03     Subject: If I had been a Holocaust survivor, I would want an Israel too, but
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The Palestinians are pawns in the Arab world. This is my point. As "refugees" if the Arab world really cared about them, they'd open their borders and let them in.

Palestinians are the most free people in the Arab world. If they'd stop electing terrorists and blowing themselves up things could be quite nice for them.

Let me remind you:
Israel calls and drops leaflets telling the Palestinians to leave for their own safety. News reports say many don't leave because they don't want to be told what to do or Hamas won't let them
Israeli soldiers have lost their lives today giving advanced warning to the enemy of their intentions to bomb
Israel treats Palestinian wounded
Israel heeds ceasefires
Without the iron dome, the death toll on Israel would be catastrophic

Judaism places such high value on human life that Israelis will trade hundreds of prisoners for one- just one- Israeli.

Enough is enough. Israelis have lived in fear everyday of their lives. It's time to destroy those tunnels and missile sights once and for all.


Just shut the fuck up. If Israelis lived in such fear they wouldn't set up lawn chairs on the hillside in Sderot and munch on popcorn to watch the bombs kill innocent children in Gaza.

Israel is a fascist state and its leaders should be captured and tried as war criminals.


There were also images today of hundreds, if not thousands, of Israelis enjoying the beaches in Tel Aviv this afternoon.

It takes a special type of arrogance and insularity to do that while your military is bombing apartments and killing civilians a mere 50-60 miles away. It makes the Hunger Games look like a Jane Austin novel.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2014 23:03     Subject: If I had been a Holocaust survivor, I would want an Israel too, but
Anonymous wrote:Hamas spends their money on bombs, missiles and building tunnels. Then they wage war on israel and you blame israel for not building safe havens for the Palestinians?

If the iron dome didn't exist and the death toll was more even, would you still call israel the aggressor?

Israel is damned no matter what they do. They are a tiny little country surrounded by millions of Arabs who want nothing more than to see its demise.


I didn't see anything about the demise of Israel in any of the ten terms related to the truce. I did see that they want fishing rights. Are fishing rights anti-semitic?
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2014 22:58     Subject: If I had been a Holocaust survivor, I would want an Israel too, but
Anonymous wrote:

The Palestinians don't have to go anywhere. As I said, if they'd stop blowing themselves up and voting for terrorist representation they could live nicely. Where should they go when they are warned to evacuate? Don't know the answer but it's better than no warning like the Israelis get. Yesterday the Palestinians sent a bomb over the border attached to a donkey. Life isn't sacred to them. Sadly, the Israelis have to stop the ambulances and make sure that everything is clear before they let them proceed. They have treated thousands of Palestinians over the years.

Congratulations, you have successfully dehumanized the whole people. Of course, these Palestinians aren't human. They aren't like us. They don't feel pain the way we do. They don't mind dying, after all. Life isn't sacred to them. And their life sure as hell ain't sacred to us.

Dr.Goebbels would be very proud of you.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2014 22:56     Subject: If I had been a Holocaust survivor, I would want an Israel too, but
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How many Arab countries are there? Why can't the Palestinians go there? Answer? The Arab countries don't want them.

Even the Arab governments are blaming Hamas for the current crisis. Only leftists, including self hating Jews blame Israel.

I have read the most appalling propaganda on DCUM. Judaism is a religion of peace. Israeli doctors treat those who are wounded. They call and air drop leaflets to warn people before they bomb. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't.


Why SHOULD the Palestinians go somewhere else? They have a home already.

But your answer is very typical of the Israeli psyche who wishes most of all that these Palestinians would DISAPPEAR ALREADY!

Fat lot of good did these warnings do to the kids who got killed. Yah, they warn people. Where would you have these people go? Gaza Ritz Carlton? Ooops, there isn't one.

"Judalim is a religion of peace" is the worst piece of propaganda I've read today, though.

Israeli doctors treat the wounded but Israeli soldiers hold up ambulances at checkpoints so people die before reaching these wonderful doctors.


The Palestinians don't have to go anywhere. As I said, if they'd stop blowing themselves up and voting for terrorist representation they could live nicely. Where should they go when they are warned to evacuate? Don't know the answer but it's better than no warning like the Israelis get. Yesterday the Palestinians sent a bomb over the border attached to a donkey. Life isn't sacred to them. Sadly, the Israelis have to stop the ambulances and make sure that everything is clear before they let them proceed. They have treated thousands of Palestinians over the years.

Most of the population of Gaza wasn't of voting age when Hamas was elected in 2007 but that doesn't stop IDF from imposing collective punishment upon them.

Uh-huh, they could live nicely. You still think it's about the "they hate us" bit. It's not about the existential conflict. It never has been. It's about the money. It's about land, water, energy - very limited resources in a very severe environment. Israel has bigger guns so it takes what it wants - land, energy, water. Who controls the ground water in Palestine? Who controls the energy switches? Who expropriates the land? Who is squeezing the fishing industry in Gaza by pushing them closer and closer to the shore, first 16 km, then 10 km, then 3 km, where no commercial fish stock exists? Who is destroying the farming industry by blocking exports?

It's about the money, silly. It always has been. Israel opens its borders to every Jew in the world but it neglects to tell them that if they come, they'd live in very, very cramped quarters so it has put itself on the path of never-ending territorial expansion.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2014 22:50     Subject: If I had been a Holocaust survivor, I would want an Israel too, but
Anonymous wrote:Hamas spends their money on bombs, missiles and building tunnels. Then they wage war on israel and you blame israel for not building safe havens for the Palestinians?

If the iron dome didn't exist and the death toll was more even, would you still call israel the aggressor?

Israel is damned no matter what they do. They are a tiny little country surrounded by millions of Arabs who want nothing more than to see its demise.

Oh yes, let's play the tiny little country violin again. Somehow, all its current prosperity failed to eradicate the victim debris from the Israeli mind.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2014 22:46     Subject: If I had been a Holocaust survivor, I would want an Israel too, but
Hamas spends their money on bombs, missiles and building tunnels. Then they wage war on israel and you blame israel for not building safe havens for the Palestinians?

If the iron dome didn't exist and the death toll was more even, would you still call israel the aggressor?

Israel is damned no matter what they do. They are a tiny little country surrounded by millions of Arabs who want nothing more than to see its demise.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2014 22:45     Subject: Re:If I had been a Holocaust survivor, I would want an Israel too, but
Here is a solution.

Offer US citizenship to every resident of Gaza, Israel, and Palestine. It would be illegal to hold both a US and an Israeli passport or Palestinian identification papers. In other words, each person must choose between US citizenship and Israeli/Palestinian citizenship. No Israeli would be able to have the US passport fail safe, as many do now.

Let those who are left, the ones that truly wish to stay there and only there, figure out how best to live together.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2014 22:40     Subject: If I had been a Holocaust survivor, I would want an Israel too, but
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How many Arab countries are there? Why can't the Palestinians go there? Answer? The Arab countries don't want them.

Even the Arab governments are blaming Hamas for the current crisis. Only leftists, including self hating Jews blame Israel.

I have read the most appalling propaganda on DCUM. Judaism is a religion of peace. Israeli doctors treat those who are wounded. They call and air drop leaflets to warn people before they bomb. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't.


Why SHOULD the Palestinians go somewhere else? They have a home already.

But your answer is very typical of the Israeli psyche who wishes most of all that these Palestinians would DISAPPEAR ALREADY!

Fat lot of good did these warnings do to the kids who got killed. Yah, they warn people. Where would you have these people go? Gaza Ritz Carlton? Ooops, there isn't one.

"Judalim is a religion of peace" is the worst piece of propaganda I've read today, though.

Israeli doctors treat the wounded but Israeli soldiers hold up ambulances at checkpoints so people die before reaching these wonderful doctors.


The Palestinians don't have to go anywhere. As I said, if they'd stop blowing themselves up and voting for terrorist representation they could live nicely. Where should they go when they are warned to evacuate? Don't know the answer but it's better than no warning like the Israelis get. Yesterday the Palestinians sent a bomb over the border attached to a donkey. Life isn't sacred to them. Sadly, the Israelis have to stop the ambulances and make sure that everything is clear before they let them proceed. They have treated thousands of Palestinians over the years.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2014 22:36     Subject: If I had been a Holocaust survivor, I would want an Israel too, but
Anonymous wrote:The Palestinians are pawns in the Arab world. This is my point. As "refugees" if the Arab world really cared about them, they'd open their borders and let them in.

Palestinians are the most free people in the Arab world. If they'd stop electing terrorists and blowing themselves up things could be quite nice for them.

Let me remind you:
Israel calls and drops leaflets telling the Palestinians to leave for their own safety. News reports say many don't leave because they don't want to be told what to do or Hamas won't let them
Israeli soldiers have lost their lives today giving advanced warning to the enemy of their intentions to bomb
Israel treats Palestinian wounded
Israel heeds ceasefires
Without the iron dome, the death toll on Israel would be catastrophic

Judaism places such high value on human life that Israelis will trade hundreds of prisoners for one- just one- Israeli.

Enough is enough. Israelis have lived in fear everyday of their lives. It's time to destroy those tunnels and missile sights once and for all.

Why is it the Arab world's responsibility to take care of the Palestinians? They aren't the ones bombing them. Israel is.

Let ME remind you:

Israel tells Gazans to leave their houses without providing a safe place to go. It has bombed schools, hospitals, shelters for the disabled, so the Gazans may be forgiven for assuming no place is safe and may as well die at home.

It is the job of soldiers to kill and die. So far, IDF is vastly better in the former than the latter so I ain't weeping for them.

Israel treats Palestinian wounded if and when they reach Israeli hospitals after being held up for hours at the checkpoints by men in IDF uniforms.

Judaism does place very high value on Jewish life, I'll give you that. I don't believe Israel ever saw Palestinians as equally human and equally deserving of dignity and human rights Israelis enjoy. Well, some Israelis. Not Israeli Arabs.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2014 22:34     Subject: If I had been a Holocaust survivor, I would want an Israel too, but
Anonymous wrote:The Palestinians are pawns in the Arab world. This is my point. As "refugees" if the Arab world really cared about them, they'd open their borders and let them in.

Palestinians are the most free people in the Arab world. If they'd stop electing terrorists and blowing themselves up things could be quite nice for them.

Let me remind you:
Israel calls and drops leaflets telling the Palestinians to leave for their own safety. News reports say many don't leave because they don't want to be told what to do or Hamas won't let them
Israeli soldiers have lost their lives today giving advanced warning to the enemy of their intentions to bomb
Israel treats Palestinian wounded
Israel heeds ceasefires
Without the iron dome, the death toll on Israel would be catastrophic

Judaism places such high value on human life that Israelis will trade hundreds of prisoners for one- just one- Israeli.

Enough is enough. Israelis have lived in fear everyday of their lives. It's time to destroy those tunnels and missile sights once and for all.


Just shut the fuck up. If Israelis lived in such fear they wouldn't set up lawn chairs on the hillside in Sderot and munch on popcorn to watch the bombs kill innocent children in Gaza.

Israel is a fascist state and its leaders should be captured and tried as war criminals.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2014 22:33     Subject: If I had been a Holocaust survivor, I would want an Israel too, but
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How many Arab countries are there? Why can't the Palestinians go there? Answer? The Arab countries don't want them.

Even the Arab governments are blaming Hamas for the current crisis. Only leftists, including self hating Jews blame Israel.

I have read the most appalling propaganda on DCUM. Judaism is a religion of peace. Israeli doctors treat those who are wounded. They call and air drop leaflets to warn people before they bomb. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't.



I have read the most appalling rationalizations for the cold blooded murder of innocent Palestinian children on DCUM. It is so out of touch with the revulsion most of the world feels towards Israel right now.


not really.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/20/world/middleeast/palestinians-find-show-of-support-lacking-from-arab-nations-amid-offensive.html?_r=0

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/as-gaza-death-toll-mounts-american-politicians-rally-behind-israel/

http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/US-public-support-for-Israel-at-near-record-highs-363051



Furthermore, the poll – carried out from July 8 to July 14 – indicates that support for Israel among blacks and Hispanics – demographic groups to which Israeli advocacy groups are increasingly reaching out – is more than double what it is for the Palestinians.

White evangelicals are – with the possible exception of Jews, who were not a demographic studied in this survey – the most sympathetic for Israel, while those unaffiliated with any church are the least supportive.




I was the one who posted about APAC reaching out to these groups, obviously it is working....they should ask themselves what Israel has done for them lately.



I guarantee African Americans and Hispanics are not sitting around wringing their hands over what you and some white pollsters think given that these same organizations will define minorities in any light that will give people like yourself justification and affirmation that minorities are incapable of thinking for themselves.

No minority is asking what Israel, or Palestine for that matter, has done for them lately. And if minorities should be watching over there shoulders, it should be for people like you.
.The PEW Research also said 73% of Republicans were more sympathetic to Israel than Democrats. As the APAC poster suggests, maybevthey should ask themselves what Israel has done for them lately. Guess you unintentionally omitted that group.