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Anonymous wrote:I find it so interesting to read these different threads about weight. There is that one on why fat people aren't more ashamed of themselves, because all you have to do to lose weight is not be a lazy slob, so by definition being fat means you are lazy and eat horribly. And there are the hundreds (thousands) of posts about how all fat people have to do to lose weight is just use a little moderation. And then when people post saying that no, they aren't lazy horrible eaters, and moderation hasn't worked, and they'd like advice on SOMETHING that might work, since moderation didn't...they get slammed. This OP is so entirely clearly not lazy or lacking in discipline, yet I assume she has some weight to lose. And there are people on here telling her to just eat in moderation. Did any of you also post on the fat shaming thread, too, about how fat people need to get a little discipline? Look, it simply isn't easy. There are no easy answers. For some of us, once we have gained a good deal of weight and probably messed with our metabolisms, moderation won't help us lose the weight. It may be the long term solution after the weight is lost and that loss maintained for a year or two, but it isn't the solution for loss for many of us. So if you haven't done the research on intermittent fasting, or read the research on low-carb diets...please, give us fatties the benefit of the doubt that we are smart, thoughtful, disciplined people doing our best to be healthy. Cause for the most part, its true.

Absolutely agree with this post. People who have never been fat assume that their moderate diet and exercise is the reason. While those are both very healthy modes of living, it just might be that not being insulin resistant is the larger underlying reason for their health. Most people who offer up such advice (just eat less and exercise more) are well intentioned, but some are smug and judgmental. Do you really think that two thirds of our country are completely stupid, lazy and slothful? The fat people I know put in tremendous effort to eat nutritious food, limit calories, and exercise their tails off. It makes me sad that they would so benefit from knowing about the more recent research but instead are told they will " ruin their metabolism" if they dare try it.

Absolutely agree too!

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Anonymous wrote:I find it so interesting to read these different threads about weight. There is that one on why fat people aren't more ashamed of themselves, because all you have to do to lose weight is not be a lazy slob, so by definition being fat means you are lazy and eat horribly. And there are the hundreds (thousands) of posts about how all fat people have to do to lose weight is just use a little moderation. And then when people post saying that no, they aren't lazy horrible eaters, and moderation hasn't worked, and they'd like advice on SOMETHING that might work, since moderation didn't...they get slammed. This OP is so entirely clearly not lazy or lacking in discipline, yet I assume she has some weight to lose. And there are people on here telling her to just eat in moderation. Did any of you also post on the fat shaming thread, too, about how fat people need to get a little discipline? Look, it simply isn't easy. There are no easy answers. For some of us, once we have gained a good deal of weight and probably messed with our metabolisms, moderation won't help us lose the weight. It may be the long term solution after the weight is lost and that loss maintained for a year or two, but it isn't the solution for loss for many of us. So if you haven't done the research on intermittent fasting, or read the research on low-carb diets...please, give us fatties the benefit of the doubt that we are smart, thoughtful, disciplined people doing our best to be healthy. Cause for the most part, its true.

Absolutely agree with this post. People who have never been fat assume that their moderate diet and exercise is the reason. While those are both very healthy modes of living, it just might be that not being insulin resistant is the larger underlying reason for their health. Most people who offer up such advice (just eat less and exercise more) are well intentioned, but some are smug and judgmental. Do you really think that two thirds of our country are completely stupid, lazy and slothful? The fat people I know put in tremendous effort to eat nutritious food, limit calories, and exercise their tails off. It makes me sad that they would so benefit from knowing about the more recent research but instead are told they will " ruin their metabolism" if they dare try it.

Anonymous wrote:I find it so interesting to read these different threads about weight. There is that one on why fat people aren't more ashamed of themselves, because all you have to do to lose weight is not be a lazy slob, so by definition being fat means you are lazy and eat horribly. And there are the hundreds (thousands) of posts about how all fat people have to do to lose weight is just use a little moderation. And then when people post saying that no, they aren't lazy horrible eaters, and moderation hasn't worked, and they'd like advice on SOMETHING that might work, since moderation didn't...they get slammed. This OP is so entirely clearly not lazy or lacking in discipline, yet I assume she has some weight to lose. And there are people on here telling her to just eat in moderation. Did any of you also post on the fat shaming thread, too, about how fat people need to get a little discipline? Look, it simply isn't easy. There are no easy answers. For some of us, once we have gained a good deal of weight and probably messed with our metabolisms, moderation won't help us lose the weight. It may be the long term solution after the weight is lost and that loss maintained for a year or two, but it isn't the solution for loss for many of us. So if you haven't done the research on intermittent fasting, or read the research on low-carb diets...please, give us fatties the benefit of the doubt that we are smart, thoughtful, disciplined people doing our best to be healthy. Cause for the most part, its true.

Anonymous wrote:Today was my 2nd fasting day.

I ate a huge thing of cabbage with a tiny bit of oil and red wine vinegar, a serving of pearled couscous with spinach, leeks, and mushrooms, and 4 oz of chicken breast.

I am hungry now but its manageable. Hard part was it being pizza night for my kids and not sampling any. But I had some dough leftover and knowing I can have a slice tomorrow makes me able to control myself today.

Anonymous wrote:You're totally going to mess up your metabolism by eating that few calories a day.

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Anonymous wrote:How about a big bowl of oatmeal and a square of dark chocolate?

Also, I know this isn't exactly what you asked, but I would recommend not spending 70+100 on creamer and olive oil.

But maybe there is something I don't know about this diet...if so, never mind.

You are probably right, but it was my first day and I used the creamer before I thought about how many calories it is. The olive oil was actually a good thing bc it made the veggies taste better and I ate a lot more, which filled me up - I had about 4 cups of zucchini.