Anonymous wrote:Any other Muslims here feel like they are "wasting" Ramadan this year? I'm trying to use this time to pray, read the Quran etc. but I find myself so distracted and worried by day to day things (i.e. really need to find a job) that I don't find myself focusing as I want to.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If Ramadan is in the summer, and its purpose is atonement, and Eid is the celebration at the end of the fast, also in the summer, then why was the media and the PC folks so strongly pushing "Happy Ramadan" during the Hannukah and Christmas holiday season?
probably for the same reason that I get wished "happy hannukkah" in mid to late december, even when Hanukkah has already occured (it can come as early as late November) the people you describe as PC (which I take it means "polite") are still not necessarily aware of the calendars and cultures of others.
Still they should be thanked and appreciated - it sure as hell beats being intolerant.
No, by PC I mean the actual PC movement.
It was in its heyday when I was in college. It is a real name for a real movement.
You must be young.
PC as in politically correct, was a term used by the Communist Party in discussing the validity of certain cultural products. You are either very old (as in you went to college in the 1930s) or you have swallowed the right wing usage, which used the term PC as a weapon to link feminists and others to the Communists.
It is not in fact a name for a "movement" A google search will show that to you pretty quickly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness#Early-to-mid_20th_century
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If Ramadan is in the summer, and its purpose is atonement, and Eid is the celebration at the end of the fast, also in the summer, then why was the media and the PC folks so strongly pushing "Happy Ramadan" during the Hannukah and Christmas holiday season?
probably for the same reason that I get wished "happy hannukkah" in mid to late december, even when Hanukkah has already occured (it can come as early as late November) the people you describe as PC (which I take it means "polite") are still not necessarily aware of the calendars and cultures of others.
Still they should be thanked and appreciated - it sure as hell beats being intolerant.
No, by PC I mean the actual PC movement.
It was in its heyday when I was in college. It is a real name for a real movement.
You must be young.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:[quote=AnonymousThis is not true. While I'm no longer practicing, Islamic restrictions are very accommodating to health issues - if you need to take a medicine during the day, you are allowed to take it, and your fast is still valid. Or if you can't fast due to health concerns. If you need to use alcohol or pig-products (a gelatin coated pill, for example) those are also allowed.
The Jewish law on fasting and medicine, and on dietary laws and medicine is IDENTICAL! Only question is did the sharia influence the halacha, or vice versa? Not that it matters. Shalom/salaam!
pp here. Salaam/Shalom!
I've always thought that Judaism and Islam were extremely similar. In a way, Christianity seemed kind of like the black sheep middle child of the family![]()
Obviously Judaism is older, so a lot of Islamic thought was influenced by it, but in both of their development later on, cultural climates probably encouraged a lot of sibling sharing![]()
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:[quote=AnonymousThis is not true. While I'm no longer practicing, Islamic restrictions are very accommodating to health issues - if you need to take a medicine during the day, you are allowed to take it, and your fast is still valid. Or if you can't fast due to health concerns. If you need to use alcohol or pig-products (a gelatin coated pill, for example) those are also allowed.
The Jewish law on fasting and medicine, and on dietary laws and medicine is IDENTICAL! Only question is did the sharia influence the halacha, or vice versa? Not that it matters. Shalom/salaam!
Anonymous wrote:[quote=AnonymousThis is not true. While I'm no longer practicing, Islamic restrictions are very accommodating to health issues - if you need to take a medicine during the day, you are allowed to take it, and your fast is still valid. Or if you can't fast due to health concerns. If you need to use alcohol or pig-products (a gelatin coated pill, for example) those are also allowed.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If Ramadan is in the summer, and its purpose is atonement, and Eid is the celebration at the end of the fast, also in the summer, then why was the media and the PC folks so strongly pushing "Happy Ramadan" during the Hannukah and Christmas holiday season?
probably for the same reason that I get wished "happy hannukkah" in mid to late december, even when Hanukkah has already occured (it can come as early as late November) the people you describe as PC (which I take it means "polite") are still not necessarily aware of the calendars and cultures of others.
Still they should be thanked and appreciated - it sure as hell beats being intolerant.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I never hear "Happy Ramadan" during the December holiday season. Perhaps you're thinking of Diwali?
No.
When I was in college and as a young adult and the whole PC movement was setting in there was a whole movement of either not wishing Merry Christmas/Happy Hannukah without including Happy Ramadan. I remember lots of discussion about this.
Perhaps since Ramadan moves that time just happened to have Ramadan falling around those other holidays.
It was around the time of the Seinfeld Festivus for the Restuvus episode![]()
This was mine and many others first introduction to Ramadan, and until I moved to this area I had no idea it did jot occur in the middle of the Christmas/Hannukah season.
I bet if you took a survey there is a significant number of people in my age group who did not grow up around muslims who do indeed believe that Ramadan is a holiday that buts upto Christmas. I can't tell you how many people who have come up to me after moving to this area and said "Huh. Who knew? Ramadan is in the summer."
I would also bet there is a very large number about 10-25 years older than me who will argue until their faces turn blue that Ramadan is a winter holiday.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have an extended family member who's a practicing Muslim though she doesn't wear the hijab (headscarf). Anyone who is in good health (and not pregnant) fasts from sun up to sun down-only water I believe. After sunset you eat a big meal and she says it would often (in her home country) be sort if fun...they'd all get together, conquered the days fasting requirement, and eat delicious food. During Ramadan she prays and she thinks about God/life/how to be the best person. At the end of Ramadan is Eid. It's normally a huge meal/celebration and the children receive gifts.
No food, no water. Anything swallowed, including medicine, invalidates the fast and you have to make up that day.
This is not true. While I'm no longer practicing, Islamic restrictions are very accommodating to health issues - if you need to take a medicine during the day, you are allowed to take it, and your fast is still valid. Or if you can't fast due to health concerns. If you need to use alcohol or pig-products (a gelatin coated pill, for example) those are also allowed.
Ramadan isn't about not swallowing stuff - it's meant mainly to keep you humble, but having empathy for those that go without or struggle with certain needs and luxuries and life, and to help direct your mind focused towards god/faith, instead of being distracted by life's little pleasures during the day. It's not meant to make you suffer, and it's really not about "don't swallow stuff."
I think it depends on the scholar you prefer to follow. In my Gulfie circle, people who have to take daily medication (such as insulin) do not fast. My husband will not fast if he has to take medication. You can use alcohol or pig products for medical purposes year-round, it has nothing to do with Ramadan.
I agree that Ramadan isn't about swallowing but let's not pretend that Islam does not have a definition of fast. After all, if you keep yourself humble and full of empathy for those less fortunate with three squares a day, you can't really say you're fasting, can you.