Anonymous
Post 06/06/2014 22:15     Subject: Re:Susan Rice - moron or liar (Bergdahl)?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
You are totally kidding, right? At least you are no physician because you are totally clueless on assessing someone's health.

Bergdahl looks nothing like his photo from before he went missing. He looks older and more haggard than a man pushing 60 and he's only in his 20s. He looks like hell in the video.


Didn't say he looked healthy. Go look at pictures of concentration camp survivors. Big difference.


Backpedaling now, eh? Glad you finally agree he didn't look healthy. Point made, end of discussion.


The point is that the big O failed to notify Congress (this was O's law). He claimed that BB's health was deteriorating so they had to act quickly. Of course BB could look better, but he was not on death's door. O could have abided by his own law. The reason he did not notify Congress is that he knew the Congress would have blocked it.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2014 20:15     Subject: Re:Susan Rice - moron or liar (Bergdahl)?
The second part of Kelly's interview with the soldiers is on tonight at 9. Maybe they will answer some of these questions.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2014 20:14     Subject: Re:Susan Rice - moron or liar (Bergdahl)?

If Command knew he was losing it and didn't handle it appropriately (in-patient mental health treatment), then they screwed up. This might be the case. I can't tell you how many women I know trying to help their sons or husbands who are on the cusp of getting tossed from service when Command knows they are suffering from PTSD.






I don't think they thought he was "losing it". I don't know what Command knew. They were at an outpost--not Kabul.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2014 20:06     Subject: Susan Rice - moron or liar (Bergdahl)?
If Command knew he was losing it and didn't handle it appropriately (in-patient mental health treatment), then they screwed up. This might be the case. I can't tell you how many women I know trying to help their sons or husbands who are on the cusp of getting tossed from service when Command knows they are suffering from PTSD.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2014 20:01     Subject: Re:Susan Rice - moron or liar (Bergdahl)?

Here's the thing: Even if he went AWOL, he *might* have served honorably for a period beforehand and then gone bananas. I heard a General explain why DoD and VA and society in general can't casually discard nutso soldiers with bad paper (other than honorable discharges) since the military broke the person to begin with. And during a training today I heard a VA person explain how to help veterans with OTH discharges to apply for benefits if the disability is linked to the period of good service.


He deserted. I doubt the general would call that "honorable". And, I don't think any deserters would get VA benefits.




Anonymous
Post 06/06/2014 19:59     Subject: Re:Susan Rice - moron or liar (Bergdahl)?
Anonymous wrote:Is it possible that the White HOuse was so concerned about "close hold information" that Rice was not aware of Bergdahl's history?


She's the friggin' national security adviser. Out of the loop means not up to the job.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2014 19:58     Subject: Re:Susan Rice - moron or liar (Bergdahl)?

John McCain is F-king hypocrite who doesn't give a damn about enlisted military personnel. In the 90s an aviator was shot down in Serbia. The military mobilized like we were on the verge of entering WWIII in order to save this guy. They even made a dopey movie about it.

For John McCain the son of an Admiral the only servicemen worth saving are officers.

To the enlisted people out there stop drinking the kool-aid. We did all the heavy lifting and the officers get all the credit. Can't you remember how stressful it was to be deployed and to be powerless to make any decisions yourself.

Sure it's easy for cowards like Dick Cheney who never served to throw stones at guys like you and me, and Sgt. Bergdahl. The closest Cheney ever came to combat was when he spilled coke and popcorn in his lap while he was watching "Apocalypes Now" on his wide screen TV.


Hate much? Please source your accusations about POWs. And, by the way, we did try to get Bergdahl back. Haven't you been reading and watching the news. They spent months trying to find him.




Anonymous
Post 06/06/2014 19:47     Subject: Susan Rice - moron or liar (Bergdahl)?
She's actually a great person. I've met her and I know people who know her well.

Here's the thing: Even if he went AWOL, he *might* have served honorably for a period beforehand and then gone bananas. I heard a General explain why DoD and VA and society in general can't casually discard nutso soldiers with bad paper (other than honorable discharges) since the military broke the person to begin with. And during a training today I heard a VA person explain how to help veterans with OTH discharges to apply for benefits if the disability is linked to the period of good service.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2014 19:38     Subject: Susan Rice - moron or liar (Bergdahl)?
John McCain is F-king hypocrite who doesn't give a damn about enlisted military personnel. In the 90s an aviator was shot down in Serbia. The military mobilized like we were on the verge of entering WWIII in order to save this guy. They even made a dopey movie about it.

For John McCain the son of an Admiral the only servicemen worth saving are officers.

To the enlisted people out there stop drinking the kool-aid. We did all the heavy lifting and the officers get all the credit. Can't you remember how stressful it was to be deployed and to be powerless to make any decisions yourself.

Sure it's easy for cowards like Dick Cheney who never served to throw stones at guys like you and me, and Sgt. Bergdahl. The closest Cheney ever came to combat was when he spilled coke and popcorn in his lap while he was watching "Apocalypes Now" on his wide screen TV.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2014 17:36     Subject: Re:Susan Rice - moron or liar (Bergdahl)?
Is it possible that the White HOuse was so concerned about "close hold information" that Rice was not aware of Bergdahl's history?
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2014 15:35     Subject: Susan Rice - moron or liar (Bergdahl)?
I've come to the conclusion that Susan Rice has more self-confidence than real intelligence. The decision to get Berghdahl may have been correct, not not informing the congressional "gang of 8" was just plain stupid. Add to that the failure in staff work in bringing the parents in for a splashy Rose Garden event with the president, given Berghahl's questionable service history.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2014 14:01     Subject: Re:Susan Rice - moron or liar (Bergdahl)?

How did you just ignore what PP wrote about the differences between enlisted and officer rank. How could you ignore that. Oh, I know. You never served and is full of horse manure.






No. I didn't ignore it. I put a separate post asking for a source. I have never seen anything about that before.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2014 13:31     Subject: Re:Susan Rice - moron or liar (Bergdahl)?
Anonymous wrote:
The bottom line was that John McCain was released and the US withdrew from Vietnam. The war was not finished when he was released. Shortly after we got his ass out of the Hanoi Hilton, South Vietnam fell to the Communists.


Twisting the facts here. The war was over for the United States. He was released after the Paris Peace Accords. South Vietnam fell after the US pulled out.


How did you just ignore what PP wrote about the differences between enlisted and officer rank. How could you ignore that. Oh, I know. You never served and is full of horse manure.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2014 12:58     Subject: Re:Susan Rice - moron or liar (Bergdahl)?
off topic: read Five Years to Freedom by Nick Rowe. He escaped after five years in prison--mostly in isolation in South Vietnam. Great read.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2014 12:55     Subject: Re:Susan Rice - moron or liar (Bergdahl)?
. Enlisted ground forces who were captured and taken as POWs were never returned from Vietnam or Korea.

Americans don't give a damn about enlisted men an women who are taken as POWs.


Please source that. There is no question that most POWs were pilots. They were mostly taken in the North--ground forces weren't there. Few ground forces were taken POW.