Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 20:03     Subject: s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
Anonymous wrote:These are utterly reasonable and quite clear enough. My PK4 son who just turned five can already do most of these. With a good teacher most kids should get there by the end of K.


Great! Can we test him on the 90 standards then, for hours and hours? Hold him back if he doesn't pass? Cancel his art and music and gym? Force him to go to summer school?

Because that is what is being done all around the country.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 20:00     Subject: Re:s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
Does it say that they have to have the author and illustrator memorized, or just understand what those are and figure them from looking at the book? Pretty sure it's the latter. Not that hard.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 19:55     Subject: Re:s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
Anonymous wrote:
Well, by all means, we should only teach what the children are excited about


Wow. Aren't you special. Please tell me how a child is supposed to name the author and illustrator of a book she has never seen?


Sweetie, the standard doesn't say they should know things they've never seen. We're talking about a book they've been read, and discussed and with PROMPTING AND SUPPORT from an adult. Pretty basic. Who's defensive? You, apparently.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 19:53     Subject: Re:s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
Anonymous wrote:
Again, I'm sorry bit we shouldn't set our standards low as a result. Mediocrity is not a worthwhile goal.




Hate to tell you, but learning to read is not about accretion. It is much better for a kid to learn to read when he is ready. Studies have been done that show that teaching a child to read early is not necessarily going to ensure success later.


Okay, so how do YOU suggest that we set expectations and curriculum for public schools, without raising taxes that most voters would reject?
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 19:53     Subject: Re:s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
Well, by all means, we should only teach what the children are excited about


Wow. Aren't you special. Please tell me how a child is supposed to name the author and illustrator of a book she has never seen?
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 19:51     Subject: Re:s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
Again, I'm sorry bit we shouldn't set our standards low as a result. Mediocrity is not a worthwhile goal.




Hate to tell you, but learning to read is not about accretion. It is much better for a kid to learn to read when he is ready. Studies have been done that show that teaching a child to read early is not necessarily going to ensure success later.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 19:50     Subject: Re:s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
Anonymous wrote:
These are utterly reasonable and quite clear enough. My PK4 son who just turned five can already do most of these. With a good teacher most kids should get there by the end of K.




I suspect that your son has been exposed to lots of books and been read to frequently. Lots of children do not have that experience. Too many children do not have that experience.[b]


I agree, many children do not have the enrichment at home. However, that still doesn't mean we should lower expectations. I don't know what the answer is for those kids that don't have the exposure at home. Longer school hours? IDK. I do know, however, that lowering expectations will hurt our children and the country's future in the long run.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 19:48     Subject: Re:s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
Anonymous wrote:
These are utterly reasonable and quite clear enough. My PK4 son who just turned five can already do most of these. With a good teacher most kids should get there by the end of K.




I suspect that your son has been exposed to lots of books and been read to frequently. Lots of children do not have that experience. Too many children do not have that experience.


Again, I'm sorry bit we shouldn't set our standards low as a result. Mediocrity is not a worthwhile goal.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 19:46     Subject: Re:s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
Anonymous wrote:
This has nothing to do with the standards. I've read them and they all seem reasonable. The issue most parents are having is with the implementation of curriculum. I challenge a parent to find one K standard that isn't appropriate, unless they have low expectations for their kids.




Every child does not have the same experience as the children of people who have time to write on a forum such as this.


Well, I am very sorry about that, but that reality should not mean that we set the standards to the lowest common denominator. That's a pretty good formula for the continued decline of our country. With your attitude we may as well hand over the reigns of the free world to the Chinese now.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 19:44     Subject: Re:s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
Anonymous wrote:
Do you think that this is beyond the capacity of the average kindergartener?


I think that it is not a reasonable standard. My daughter was enthusiastic about authors and looked for their books. I don't think she was so excited about illustrators.



Well, by all means, we should only teach what the children are excited about.

We should all have high expectations for our children and teach them persistence and the value of knowledge, even when said knowledge doesn't personally excite them. For example, I don't find math exciting but it sure does come in handy in my daily life.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 19:43     Subject: Re:s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
This has nothing to do with the standards. I've read them and they all seem reasonable. The issue most parents are having is with the implementation of curriculum. I challenge a parent to find one K standard that isn't appropriate, unless they have low expectations for their kids.




Every child does not have the same experience as the children of people who have time to write on a forum such as this.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 19:40     Subject: Re:s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
These are utterly reasonable and quite clear enough. My PK4 son who just turned five can already do most of these. With a good teacher most kids should get there by the end of K.




I suspect that your son has been exposed to lots of books and been read to frequently. Lots of children do not have that experience. Too many children do not have that experience.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 19:40     Subject: s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:From the Common Core thread:

Do you think that any of these standards is too much to expect your average (not learning disabled, not ESOL) kindergarten student to be able to do, by the end of his/her kindergarten year?

Are kindergarteners, by May, able to ask and answer questions about a text (that was read aloud to them)? Like "Where do frogs lay their eggs?" Are they able to retell a story they have heard (The Little Red Hen....) with help? Can they tell the difference between a story and a poem?

If you think that they cannot do these things, which ones in particular do you think are too hard (or too meaningless) and why?


CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.K.1
With prompting and support, ask and answer questions about key details in a text.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.K.2
With prompting and support, retell familiar stories, including key details.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.K.3
With prompting and support, identify characters, settings, and major events in a story.

Craft and Structure:
CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.K.4
Ask and answer questions about unknown words in a text.

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.K.5
Recognize common types of texts (e.g., storybooks, poems).

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.K.6
With prompting and support, name the author and illustrator of a story and define the role of each in telling the story.

Integration of Knowledge and Ideas:
CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.K.7
With prompting and support, describe the relationship between illustrations and the story in which they appear (e.g., what moment in a story an illustration depicts).

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.K.8
(RL.K.8 not applicable to literature)

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.K.9

With prompting and support, compare and contrast the adventures and experiences of characters in familiar stories.

Range of Reading and Level of Text Complexity:

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.K.10
Actively engage in group reading activities with purpose and understanding.


You picked 10 standards. There are 80 more Kindergartners have to have mastered by the end of the year. They are swamped and hating kindergarten. Parents are all over the Internet saying this.


This has nothing to do with the standards. I've read them and they all seem reasonable. The issue most parents are having is with the implementation of curriculum. I challenge a parent to find one K standard that isn't appropriate, unless they have low expectations for their kids.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 19:36     Subject: s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
These are utterly reasonable and quite clear enough. My PK4 son who just turned five can already do most of these. With a good teacher most kids should get there by the end of K.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 19:34     Subject: Re:s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
You don't think that, with prompting and support, your daughter could have named the author and illustrator of a book, and explained what authors do and what illustrators do, by the end of kindergarten?




Yes. If the teacher picked the right book. I have visions now of the teacher selecting The Story About Ping and reading it every day so that the kids will be sure to know that standard. Unnecessary.