Anonymous
Post 04/30/2014 22:18     Subject: Thoughts for the "appealers"!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just get over the fact that your kid is intellectually mediocre, and move on with your lives.


I was prepared to do that if our kid didn't get in, but so few are.
Know one parent who appealed three times til her kid finally got in.


so few are what? not getting in?


garbled the sentence , meant so few are prepared to get over it if their kid doesn't get in.



agreed. and I never get this. my oldest got in easily. I didn't think twice after my two others weren't in the pool. Somehow they all managed to be straight A students through middle and most of high school. I just don't get the madness.


Why are you on a board like this for elementary aged kids when yours are older? odd


Not for someone who's BTDT and remains involved with the school system and community. Is it odd that I care about what's best for all kids and not just my own? Perhaps on this thread.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2014 20:16     Subject: Re:Thoughts for the "appealers"!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I was told to appeal by the principal at our ES. So glad for my Dcs that I did.


So you had to appeal for more than one kid? What's the statistical likelihood that the committee would make a mistake on two kids from the same family who were gifted?


People appeal for all their children all the time, and get in. Kind of renders the whole program meaningless if you can just appeal a decision that easily. I'm thinking of all the paperwork, time, money, and energy that goes into this and wondering why they don't just make it self-selected, as a PP suggested.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2014 20:13     Subject: Re:Thoughts for the "appealers"!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I was told to appeal by the principal at our ES. So glad for my Dcs that I did.


Very hard to believe, unless you're at a center...most principals despise the AAP brain/behavior drain, and I don't blame them.


Are you implying that with AAP kids go the brains and good behavior? Because this certainly isn't true in our center. Most of the worst behavior issues are in AAP.


Yes, because, of the AAP kids, many have the brains and many others are "good students" who are organized and have good study habits--though these students do not tend to be gifted. Of the children I've known go to AAP from our ES, I can think of only a few who were behavior problems, and in these cases they were basically snotty whiners.

Meanwhile, they left behind kids who throw things, punch other kids, teach my kindergartner inappropriate words on the bus, talk about their teen mom's sex life, etc. I really doubt that's the norm in AAP. Maybe your Gen Ed ES is better behaved in general.


That is so interesting to me. My kids go to a center school and on the bus, it's the overly-confident, arrogant AAP kids who are acting like this. I see the AAP teachers in the hallway with various students and the principal several times a week. So many behavioral issues.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2014 20:02     Subject: Re:Thoughts for the "appealers"!
former AART again. We all recognize how much subjectivity there is in the process. Hence, appeals help to even things out a bit.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2014 19:59     Subject: Re:Thoughts for the "appealers"!
If your child did not get in appeal if they were close and you have new info. Most such appeals get in. to quote Carol Horn, if it is close, err on the side of inclusiveness. Former AART here.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2014 19:01     Subject: Thoughts for the "appealers"!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just get over the fact that your kid is intellectually mediocre, and move on with your lives.


I was prepared to do that if our kid didn't get in, but so few are.
Know one parent who appealed three times til her kid finally got in.


so few are what? not getting in?


garbled the sentence , meant so few are prepared to get over it if their kid doesn't get in.



agreed. and I never get this. my oldest got in easily. I didn't think twice after my two others weren't in the pool. Somehow they all managed to be straight A students through middle and most of high school. I just don't get the madness.


Thank you. My 2nd DC didn't get in like the 1st, though in-pool. I don't think AAP would have been a good fit, but I was still disappointed. Your post made me feel better.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2014 17:41     Subject: Thoughts for the "appealers"!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just get over the fact that your kid is intellectually mediocre, and move on with your lives.


I was prepared to do that if our kid didn't get in, but so few are.
Know one parent who appealed three times til her kid finally got in.


so few are what? not getting in?


garbled the sentence , meant so few are prepared to get over it if their kid doesn't get in.



agreed. and I never get this. my oldest got in easily. I didn't think twice after my two others weren't in the pool. Somehow they all managed to be straight A students through middle and most of high school. I just don't get the madness.


Why are you on a board like this for elementary aged kids when yours are older? odd
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2014 17:09     Subject: Re:Thoughts for the "appealers"!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I was told to appeal by the principal at our ES. So glad for my Dcs that I did.


Very hard to believe, unless you're at a center...most principals despise the AAP brain/behavior drain, and I don't blame them.


Are you implying that with AAP kids go the brains and good behavior? Because this certainly isn't true in our center. Most of the worst behavior issues are in AAP.


Yes, because, of the AAP kids, many have the brains and many others are "good students" who are organized and have good study habits--though these students do not tend to be gifted. Of the children I've known go to AAP from our ES, I can think of only a few who were behavior problems, and in these cases they were basically snotty whiners.

Meanwhile, they left behind kids who throw things, punch other kids, teach my kindergartner inappropriate words on the bus, talk about their teen mom's sex life, etc. I really doubt that's the norm in AAP. Maybe your Gen Ed ES is better behaved in general.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2014 16:15     Subject: Thoughts for the "appealers"!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just get over the fact that your kid is intellectually mediocre, and move on with your lives.


I was prepared to do that if our kid didn't get in, but so few are.
Know one parent who appealed three times til her kid finally got in.


so few are what? not getting in?


garbled the sentence , meant so few are prepared to get over it if their kid doesn't get in.



agreed. and I never get this. my oldest got in easily. I didn't think twice after my two others weren't in the pool. Somehow they all managed to be straight A students through middle and most of high school. I just don't get the madness.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2014 16:13     Subject: Re:Thoughts for the "appealers"!
Anonymous wrote:I was told to appeal by the principal at our ES. So glad for my Dcs that I did.


So you had to appeal for more than one kid? What's the statistical likelihood that the committee would make a mistake on two kids from the same family who were gifted?
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2014 16:00     Subject: Re:Thoughts for the "appealers"!
Anonymous wrote:If you have a 2E kid, how, if at all, did you account for this in the appeal?


I didn't spell out 2E, but I did use words that define 2E children in the appeal. The WISC also
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2014 15:56     Subject: Re:Thoughts for the "appealers"!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I was told to appeal by the principal at our ES. So glad for my Dcs that I did.


Very hard to believe, unless you're at a center...most principals despise the AAP brain/behavior drain, and I don't blame them.


Are you implying that with AAP kids go the brains and good behavior? Because this certainly isn't true in our center. Most of the worst behavior issues are in AAP.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2014 15:55     Subject: Thoughts for the "appealers"!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just get over the fact that your kid is intellectually mediocre, and move on with your lives.


I was prepared to do that if our kid didn't get in, but so few are.
Know one parent who appealed three times til her kid finally got in.


Exact opposite of our experience. So many kids were accepted, it boggles the mind.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2014 15:07     Subject: Re:Thoughts for the "appealers"!
If you have a 2E kid, how, if at all, did you account for this in the appeal?
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2014 14:51     Subject: Thoughts for the "appealers"!
WISC depends...one child (in pool, not accepted) had a 134 on the WISC IV and got in on appeal. one child (in pool, not accepted) had a 120 on the WISC IV (processing issues) and got in on appeal (appeals committee recognizes 2E kids) one kid scored almost perfect on the NNAT and CogAT and got in (in pool and accepted). Have yet to WISC, but this child is beyond bright...actually all three are very bright, but the oldest is beyond exceptional - not bragging, just being honest.