Anonymous
Post 02/06/2014 14:54     Subject: IEP for a gifted child?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My special needs child with IEP has a FSIQ of 155 on the WISC. You have no idea what you are yammering about.


Not targeted at you, obviously. It was targeted at a more general audience who doesn't realize how much difference there is between kids. Yeah, I do know. My kid (12) has been labeled 2e due to OCD, anxiety disorder, and borderline Asperger's.


What is "borderline" Asperger's? My kid with the 155 IQ has Asperger's and I've never heard this...

DS is in elementary school at a charter. Not bored or any other issues even though his NT classmates are not geniuses.


That's great. Your child isn't every child.


just to add:

http://www.davidsongifted.org/db/Articles_id_10093.aspx

(Some things have changed since some of the research, but not all that much).

If you have research to the contrary, please post. I'm open to learn.
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2014 14:53     Subject: IEP for a gifted child?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My special needs child with IEP has a FSIQ of 155 on the WISC. You have no idea what you are yammering about.


Not targeted at you, obviously. It was targeted at a more general audience who doesn't realize how much difference there is between kids. Yeah, I do know. My kid (12) has been labeled 2e due to OCD, anxiety disorder, and borderline Asperger's.


What is "borderline" Asperger's? My kid with the 155 IQ has Asperger's and I've never heard this...

DS is in elementary school at a charter. Not bored or any other issues even though his NT classmates are not geniuses.


That's great. Your child isn't every child.


No, my child isn't every child... But I get tired of hearing how "gifted" children deserves IEPs. Giftedness is NOT a disability.
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2014 14:48     Subject: IEP for a gifted child?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My special needs child with IEP has a FSIQ of 155 on the WISC. You have no idea what you are yammering about.


Not targeted at you, obviously. It was targeted at a more general audience who doesn't realize how much difference there is between kids. Yeah, I do know. My kid (12) has been labeled 2e due to OCD, anxiety disorder, and borderline Asperger's.


What is "borderline" Asperger's? My kid with the 155 IQ has Asperger's and I've never heard this...

DS is in elementary school at a charter. Not bored or any other issues even though his NT classmates are not geniuses.


That's great. Your child isn't every child.
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2014 14:42     Subject: IEP for a gifted child?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My special needs child with IEP has a FSIQ of 155 on the WISC. You have no idea what you are yammering about.


Not targeted at you, obviously. It was targeted at a more general audience who doesn't realize how much difference there is between kids. Yeah, I do know. My kid (12) has been labeled 2e due to OCD, anxiety disorder, and borderline Asperger's.


What is "borderline" Asperger's? My kid with the 155 IQ has Asperger's and I've never heard this...

DS is in elementary school at a charter. Not bored or any other issues even though his NT classmates are not geniuses.
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2014 14:28     Subject: IEP for a gifted child?
Anonymous wrote:My special needs child with IEP has a FSIQ of 155 on the WISC. You have no idea what you are yammering about.


Not targeted at you, obviously. It was targeted at a more general audience who doesn't realize how much difference there is between kids. Yeah, I do know. My kid (12) has been labeled 2e due to OCD, anxiety disorder, and borderline Asperger's.
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2014 14:19     Subject: IEP for a gifted child?
Anonymous wrote:PP (to that post) here. No, it is not against the law. It's why BASIS can discriminate via acceleration.

DS's teachers were actually some of the best we've had. Very friendly, very energetic, and very apologetic. They just knew that public school wasn't going to cut it.

As the last poster mentioned, there is a tiny portion that won't ever be served. Unfortunately for our younger child, he was one of those. This isn't normal, though, so don't harp on it as an example -- it's a highly skewed sample. He's reading college topology (on his own accord) at 7. It's at his pace, of course, which is slow and rather shallow at this point, but you get the idea -- it isn't normal. It freaks the hell out of us as parents. He's happy and kind and outgoing -- you couldn't spot him at a distance. But, when he turned in his "100 days of school" assignment in kinder, choosing to list the first 100 digits of Pi in Ionic Greek, you knew this wasn't typical.


LOL. If your kid is that smart, it's on you to find a way to meet his needs. Public schools in general aren't equipped for this, nor should they be. And to try to equate "being gifted" or "being very intelligent" with having a disability is ludicrous. The kids with special needs get what the law requires and no more -- and the law doesn't require much, really. The purpose of the special ed laws is to ensure that kids with special needs are at least getting some minimal benefit from their education. I would assume that the "gifted" kids are all meeting that standard already.


No need to be an ass. I did say that it is on us to meet his needs. I did not say the law is going to cover him. It's reality. We don't like it, but it's reality. We don't use the "gifted" term ourselves. It's a label placed on our child by others.

And, yes, he is a "special needs" child. If that strikes you as odd, do a little research, and then come back, and we can talk more (it's better to stay quiet and look stupid than to open your yap and prove it). I'll be friendlier about it when you are ready to ask meaningful questions and post salient points.

For others, the only reason I posted was to present a voice from the "other" side / extreme. As much as I'd love to pitch in to support equal support for equal needs, I don't think it is going to happen until a better educational model appears. Schools do not have the resources at their disposal to address these kids. Their focus is on getting kids to be capable of functioning in society. That is already taking everything they have.

DS's teachers were great. They loved him, and he loved them. They were very genuine and helpful when they suggested we look outside of DCPS. They even gave us some good suggestions on that front. My advice for now would be to talk with your GT teacher or counselor if your child's needs are not being met. The GT coordinators are pretty bright folks.
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2014 14:15     Subject: IEP for a gifted child?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I can't get over how many gifted kids there are out there. We're only in Pk4 right now, and I think my kid is reasonably smart, but reading DCUM makes me think the other shoe's gonna drop soon -- I'm anxiously awaiting a kindergarten class full of Doogie Howsers.


I can't get over how many special needs and at-risk kids are out there. Are Americans genetically inferior to people of every single other country and race? Are the Chinese dumping tons of toxins in our water supply?


What are you comparing the U.S. to? Countries that don't have laws requiring minimal services for students with certain identifiable special needs?
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2014 14:00     Subject: IEP for a gifted child?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I can't get over how many gifted kids there are out there. We're only in Pk4 right now, and I think my kid is reasonably smart, but reading DCUM makes me think the other shoe's gonna drop soon -- I'm anxiously awaiting a kindergarten class full of Doogie Howsers.


Exactly. Hearing about genius 3/4 yr olds gets well,... old. And hearing about how "bored" the 5 yr old will be in K b/c they can read "chapter books", and how they are under served at their public school b/c of the lack of a G&T program... So MANY brilliant snowflakes!


I don't think there are THAT many, but no need to be ignorant, either.

The thing that people don't get is that the difference between a kid w/ a 130 IQ and a 100 IQ is equal to the difference between 100 and 70. For a SMALL percentage of kids at 160+, the difference is again the same compared to the average kid of 130.

GT pullout programs target around the top 10% or so. That means the target audience has an IQ of 120. So, for roughly 0.5% of the population, attending a GT pullout class is equivalent to being sent to special education AS A SIGNIFICANT STEP UP IN QUALITY. The rest of the time, they are completely missed. That's why the dropout rate for these kids is 20x the national norm.

Ok, so that's only 0.5% -- hardly enough to fill a class. These kids have to homeschool, because NO school can serve them until college.

I think the real target of these discussions is the next 5%, who are simply in special education all day, and once per week get to be taught at their level. At 5%, that's a significant failure in our schools.

For the parents of these kids, things are rough. It has nothing to do with "snowflakes" -- you may think suffering is good for people, but most parents will disagree. They want their kids to be happy and well-adjusted.

How well adjusted would you be if you spend school stuck in a classroom full of Forrest Gumps? Not to knock the kid with special needs -- I think, instead, it's more likely that you are an example of the possible result, which doesn't look so good from here.


My special needs child with IEP has a FSIQ of 155 on the WISC. You have no idea what you are yammering about.
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2014 13:54     Subject: IEP for a gifted child?
Anonymous wrote:I can't get over how many gifted kids there are out there. We're only in Pk4 right now, and I think my kid is reasonably smart, but reading DCUM makes me think the other shoe's gonna drop soon -- I'm anxiously awaiting a kindergarten class full of Doogie Howsers.


I can't get over how many special needs and at-risk kids are out there. Are Americans genetically inferior to people of every single other country and race? Are the Chinese dumping tons of toxins in our water supply?
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2014 13:50     Subject: IEP for a gifted child?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:PP but isn't it against the law for public school system to not serve the needs of each student? If severaly disabled students are being sent to private schools (DCPS used to do this more often than people realize), then shouldnt DCPS be legally required to send the most gifted students to adademically rigorous private schools as well?


PP (to that post) here. No, it is not against the law. It's why BASIS can discriminate via acceleration.

DS's teachers were actually some of the best we've had. Very friendly, very energetic, and very apologetic. They just knew that public school wasn't going to cut it.

As the last poster mentioned, there is a tiny portion that won't ever be served. Unfortunately for our younger child, he was one of those. This isn't normal, though, so don't harp on it as an example -- it's a highly skewed sample. He's reading college topology (on his own accord) at 7. It's at his pace, of course, which is slow and rather shallow at this point, but you get the idea -- it isn't normal. It freaks the hell out of us as parents. He's happy and kind and outgoing -- you couldn't spot him at a distance. But, when he turned in his "100 days of school" assignment in kinder, choosing to list the first 100 digits of Pi in Ionic Greek, you knew this wasn't typical.


LOL. If your kid is that smart, it's on you to find a way to meet his needs. Public schools in general aren't equipped for this, nor should they be. And to try to equate "being gifted" or "being very intelligent" with having a disability is ludicrous. The kids with special needs get what the law requires and no more -- and the law doesn't require much, really. The purpose of the special ed laws is to ensure that kids with special needs are at least getting some minimal benefit from their education. I would assume that the "gifted" kids are all meeting that standard already.
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2014 13:39     Subject: IEP for a gifted child?
Anonymous wrote:PP but isn't it against the law for public school system to not serve the needs of each student? If severaly disabled students are being sent to private schools (DCPS used to do this more often than people realize), then shouldnt DCPS be legally required to send the most gifted students to adademically rigorous private schools as well?


PP (to that post) here. No, it is not against the law. It's why BASIS can discriminate via acceleration.

DS's teachers were actually some of the best we've had. Very friendly, very energetic, and very apologetic. They just knew that public school wasn't going to cut it.

As the last poster mentioned, there is a tiny portion that won't ever be served. Unfortunately for our younger child, he was one of those. This isn't normal, though, so don't harp on it as an example -- it's a highly skewed sample. He's reading college topology (on his own accord) at 7. It's at his pace, of course, which is slow and rather shallow at this point, but you get the idea -- it isn't normal. It freaks the hell out of us as parents. He's happy and kind and outgoing -- you couldn't spot him at a distance. But, when he turned in his "100 days of school" assignment in kinder, choosing to list the first 100 digits of Pi in Ionic Greek, you knew this wasn't typical.
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2014 13:32     Subject: IEP for a gifted child?
I think the issue isn't so much whether a kid is "truly gifted" but the fact that if your kid is just a little bit above average that probably puts them in the top 5% at most schools. When you have kids entering middle schools (NOT DEAL, Basis or Latin) that are still reading at a 2nd grade level because DCPS can't hold anyone back...then yeah, your kid who is above average sure does look "gifted" and will be bored in class at least when they aren't expected to be tuturing their classmates. This is where DC is failing miserably and then continues to act so surprised that pretty much every parent who demands more for their kid jumps ship in 4th grade to try and get into Latin, Basis, Deal, private or move.
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2014 13:31     Subject: IEP for a gifted child?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I can't get over how many gifted kids there are out there. We're only in Pk4 right now, and I think my kid is reasonably smart, but reading DCUM makes me think the other shoe's gonna drop soon -- I'm anxiously awaiting a kindergarten class full of Doogie Howsers.


Exactly. Hearing about genius 3/4 yr olds gets well,... old. And hearing about how "bored" the 5 yr old will be in K b/c they can read "chapter books", and how they are under served at their public school b/c of the lack of a G&T program... So MANY brilliant snowflakes!


I don't think there are THAT many, but no need to be ignorant, either.

The thing that people don't get is that the difference between a kid w/ a 130 IQ and a 100 IQ is equal to the difference between 100 and 70. For a SMALL percentage of kids at 160+, the difference is again the same compared to the average kid of 130.

GT pullout programs target around the top 10% or so. That means the target audience has an IQ of 120. So, for roughly 0.5% of the population, attending a GT pullout class is equivalent to being sent to special education AS A SIGNIFICANT STEP UP IN QUALITY. The rest of the time, they are completely missed. That's why the dropout rate for these kids is 20x the national norm.

Ok, so that's only 0.5% -- hardly enough to fill a class. These kids have to homeschool, because NO school can serve them until college.

I think the real target of these discussions is the next 5%, who are simply in special education all day, and once per week get to be taught at their level. At 5%, that's a significant failure in our schools.

For the parents of these kids, things are rough. It has nothing to do with "snowflakes" -- you may think suffering is good for people, but most parents will disagree. They want their kids to be happy and well-adjusted.

How well adjusted would you be if you spend school stuck in a classroom full of Forrest Gumps? Not to knock the kid with special needs -- I think, instead, it's more likely that you are an example of the possible result, which doesn't look so good from here.
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2014 13:07     Subject: IEP for a gifted child?
Anonymous wrote:I can't get over how many gifted kids there are out there. We're only in Pk4 right now, and I think my kid is reasonably smart, but reading DCUM makes me think the other shoe's gonna drop soon -- I'm anxiously awaiting a kindergarten class full of Doogie Howsers.


Exactly. Hearing about genius 3/4 yr olds gets well,... old. And hearing about how "bored" the 5 yr old will be in K b/c they can read "chapter books", and how they are under served at their public school b/c of the lack of a G&T program... So MANY brilliant snowflakes!
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2014 12:41     Subject: IEP for a gifted child?