Anonymous
02/03/2014 19:21
Subject: Why is Johns Hopkins not mentioned much here?
Because fluff majors are not respected there.
Anonymous
02/03/2014 18:17
Subject: Why is Johns Hopkins not mentioned much here?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wait, u Chicago is not undergraduate focused?
No -- it's a research institution that's more focused on grad students and faculty. Doesn't mean you can't get a great undergrad education there, but that's not its center of gravity.
But that's true of any top "research" university, such as Harvard or Yale as well. Not sure why you'd distinguish Hopkins or Chicago.
Scale and vibe/ethos. At Harvard, undergrad culture is strong (and well-supported by the administration -- this is the donor pool after all) even in the context of a research university.
Also you definitely encounter some faculty who see the undergrads as future movers and shakers and/or the best and the brightest and who therefore take undergrads seriously.
Chicago and Hopkins are much more academically-focused and smaller-scale. Whereas rival cultures exist and are valued at Harvard, Chicago and Hopkins feel much more focused on academia to the exclusion of many other things that undergrads might value. Don't know from Yale. And Princeton, despite being a major research university, is undergrad-centered. I think many of the "public ivies" work on the same model as Harvard -- they may have both a strong undergrad culture and a strong research culture.
+1. This poster is spot on.
Anonymous
02/03/2014 17:46
Subject: Why is Johns Hopkins not mentioned much here?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wait, u Chicago is not undergraduate focused?
No -- it's a research institution that's more focused on grad students and faculty. Doesn't mean you can't get a great undergrad education there, but that's not its center of gravity.
But that's true of any top "research" university, such as Harvard or Yale as well. Not sure why you'd distinguish Hopkins or Chicago.
Scale and vibe/ethos. At Harvard, undergrad culture is strong (and well-supported by the administration -- this is the donor pool after all) even in the context of a research university.
Also you definitely encounter some faculty who see the undergrads as future movers and shakers and/or the best and the brightest and who therefore take undergrads seriously.
Chicago and Hopkins are much more academically-focused and smaller-scale. Whereas rival cultures exist and are valued at Harvard, Chicago and Hopkins feel much more focused on academia to the exclusion of many other things that undergrads might value. Don't know from Yale. And Princeton, despite being a major research university, is undergrad-centered. I think many of the "public ivies" work on the same model as Harvard -- they may have both a strong undergrad culture and a strong research culture.
Anonymous
02/03/2014 17:26
Subject: Why is Johns Hopkins not mentioned much here?
thanks for this tip! At their presentations in the area, I never got any inkling of this.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wait, u Chicago is not undergraduate focused?
No. Over the past ten years the university has done much to improve the undergrad experience (e.g., new dorms, better career advising program, better athletics program, etc.), but, the faculty are still primarily focused on grad students.
Anonymous
02/03/2014 15:53
Subject: Why is Johns Hopkins not mentioned much here?
Anonymous wrote:Wait, u Chicago is not undergraduate focused?
No. Over the past ten years the university has done much to improve the undergrad experience (e.g., new dorms, better career advising program, better athletics program, etc.), but, the faculty are still primarily focused on grad students.
Anonymous
02/03/2014 15:34
Subject: Why is Johns Hopkins not mentioned much here?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wait, u Chicago is not undergraduate focused?
No -- it's a research institution that's more focused on grad students and faculty. Doesn't mean you can't get a great undergrad education there, but that's not it's center of gravity.
But that's true of any top "research" university, such as Harvard or Yale as well. Not sure why you'd distinguish Hopkins or Chicago.
Anonymous
02/03/2014 14:33
Subject: Why is Johns Hopkins not mentioned much here?
Anonymous wrote:Wait, u Chicago is not undergraduate focused?
No -- it's a research institution that's more focused on grad students and faculty. Doesn't mean you can't get a great undergrad education there, but that's not it's center of gravity.
Anonymous
02/03/2014 11:41
Subject: Why is Johns Hopkins not mentioned much here?
Geez - every neighborhood in Baltimore is not like The Wire!
I did part of my undergrad at GW and my grad work at JHU! Acutally, more "bad" stuff happened to me at GW....muggings, break-ins. The big thing about that part of Baltimore was the "quick transition." You could go from a "good" block to a "bad" block and not realize it. But if you were careful and used good judgment, there were no issues. Then again, I grew up in an urban environment so I had street smarts going in. The suburban kids would leave laptops in plain view and stuff like that. That was trouble at both schools.
As far as things to do...Baltimore was great! When I was in school, the Inner Harbor was still hot and Fells Point was emerging. Baltimore has far more character than DC and the neighborhoods have identities.
I did part of my undergrad at GW and my grad work at JHU! Acutally, more "bad" stuff happened to me at GW....muggings, break-ins. The big thing about that part of Baltimore was the "quick transition." You could go from a "good" block to a "bad" block and not realize it. But if you were careful and used good judgment, there were no issues. Then again, I grew up in an urban environment so I had street smarts going in. The suburban kids would leave laptops in plain view and stuff like that. That was trouble at both schools.
As far as things to do...Baltimore was great! When I was in school, the Inner Harbor was still hot and Fells Point was emerging. Baltimore has far more character than DC and the neighborhoods have identities.
Anonymous
02/03/2014 11:06
Subject: Why is Johns Hopkins not mentioned much here?
Anonymous wrote:Johns Hopkins is a national treasure not a local school. It is the premier medical school in the entire country. Not for spoiled kids who need coddling(aka wussies).
The only institutions in the country that are irreplaceable are
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Hopkins
USNA
Stanford.
2 of the schools are in maryland. These schools fulfill a national purposes and needs.
Not sure how the above "irreplaceable" list was "developed," but here are some glaring omissions:
West Point -- USMA
William & Mary
UVa
Notre Dame
U. Chicago
Presuming that the list reflects historic significance and substantial contributions to American culture/educational advancement.
Anonymous
02/03/2014 10:55
Subject: Why is Johns Hopkins not mentioned much here?
Wait, u Chicago is not undergraduate focused?
Anonymous
02/03/2014 10:51
Subject: Why is Johns Hopkins not mentioned much here?
Actually, JHU undergrad can be an excellent place for a humanities student who may be PhD-bound. Like University of Chicago, Hopkins is a grad-oriented institution. But scale is small enough that a bright academically-oriented undergrad has real access to faculty members, grad seminars, etc. Most of the undergrads aren't at JHU for that reason, which makes the kids who find this kind of opportunity exciting stand out all the more.
I agree that too-close-to-home is one reason lots of local kids don't consider Hopkins. Safety/neighborhood isn't a problem. Undergrad culture might be. Baltimore can be a more fun/interesting city than DC, depending on your kid's tastes and/or comfort level with city buses, cabs, and light rail. (Lots of the fun stuff isn't within walking distance of campus.)
I agree that too-close-to-home is one reason lots of local kids don't consider Hopkins. Safety/neighborhood isn't a problem. Undergrad culture might be. Baltimore can be a more fun/interesting city than DC, depending on your kid's tastes and/or comfort level with city buses, cabs, and light rail. (Lots of the fun stuff isn't within walking distance of campus.)
Anonymous
02/03/2014 10:32
Subject: Why is Johns Hopkins not mentioned much here?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why can't they clean up the area around it? Why are the better Maryland schools in pg County and ghetto bmore?
Where do you think JHU gets the free cadavers? Lots of homeless people there.
Same as GWU Med School. They have an incinerator in a basement next to Foggy Bottom Metro where bodies get disposed. It's an open secrete that Foggy Bottom residents are not aware of...
Um . . .so? Don't you want your doctors to get the full training?
Less conspiracy theory laden version of PP: I think the Johns Hopkins med school and hospital complex do have a problematic relationship with the surrounding poor, African American communities. JHU has pushed for several urban renewal projects in the area, promising local residents that they would bring jobs and improve the quality of life in the neighborhoods. Instead people have been forced out of some areas, and others have been purposefully left to decay. JHU needs human subjects and populations to study, and has this neo-colonial relationship with the surrounding neighborhoods, acting as if these poor populations are a natural resource that can be exploited to produce studies-but despite hundred of years of being studied, the people in those neighborhoods are no better off, and probably worse off.
Anonymous
02/03/2014 10:24
Subject: Why is Johns Hopkins not mentioned much here?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why can't they clean up the area around it? Why are the better Maryland schools in pg County and ghetto bmore?
Where do you think JHU gets the free cadavers? Lots of homeless people there.
Same as GWU Med School. They have an incinerator in a basement next to Foggy Bottom Metro where bodies get disposed. It's an open secrete that Foggy Bottom residents are not aware of...
Um . . .so? Don't you want your doctors to get the full training?
Anonymous
02/03/2014 08:57
Subject: Why is Johns Hopkins not mentioned much here?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Johns Hopkins is a national treasure not a local school. It is the premier medical school in the entire country. Not for spoiled kids who need coddling(aka wussies).
The only institutions in the country that are irreplaceable are
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Hopkins
USNA
Stanford.
2 of the schools are in maryland. These schools fulfill a national purposes and needs.
Lol... So true. All the parents dissing the neighborhood change their tune when precious DD gets an undiagnosed or complicated illness. Then they march their butts up to Hopkins at light speed.
+1000
The parents are all for socioeconomic diversity...for everyone but Snowflake.
It is what it is... no matter the name calling, snowflake. It is the buttcrack of Maryland. I'm for diversity, but I don't have to live there. Why should I sacrifice my family's safety in order to satisfy your definition of diversity. Do all of us a favor and go live there yourself.
Some of us do actually live in Baltimore City, and, much like D.C., despite its many problems it can be a perfectly nice place to live, work, and raise a family.
Anonymous
02/02/2014 17:32
Subject: Why is Johns Hopkins not mentioned much here?
Our foreign visitors knew the name Johns Hopkins, had not heard of Georgetown.