Anonymous wrote:Yes, child is in 3rd; we haven't been in VA during 2nd grade.

Apply and see what happens.

Yes, child is in 3rd; we haven't been in VA during 2nd grade.

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Anonymous wrote:Forgot grade stanine is 6, 7, and 9 (verbal), age wise is lower (9, 6, 6). Child age peers would be in 4th grade, so what would be the more correct comparison?

Doesn't the 9 put your kid in the pool?

I think her child is currently in third so there is no pool.

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Anonymous wrote:Second grade teacher at a center school. I have enthusiastically supported students with scores like your child has OP and they have all got in to AAP (previously GT). On the other hand I have given GBRS as low as 6 to kids who had 140 and above on Nnat or CoGat subtest and they all got in too. Your child's scores are close enough that if the GBRS and commentary are high, he/she should get in.

This is why we won't do public in Ffx county. I don't want a second grade teacher making these decisions. Not qualified to determine who should be in a gifted program.

This poster is very ignorant of the process, as the GBRS with commentary is contributed to by MULTIPLE people at a school, including the K, 1st and 2nd grade teachers, counselors, and AART to name a few...there is a LOCAL screening committee at every school and we are told they always try and give the child the best opportunity to represent well in the GBRS. So why don't you learn a thing or two and then make comments?

NP here, but in our school it is the second grade teacher, AART, and principal who create the GBRS. (This came right from the second grade teacher). Clearly the principal won't have specific knowledge and AART is part time and either way may see your kid 1-2 hours/week only, so the poster is correct that the majority comes from the second grade teacher.

As it should be since the 2nd grade teacher spends the most time with all the students.

Anonymous wrote:Forgot grade stanine is 6, 7, and 9 (verbal), age wise is lower (9, 6, 6). Child age peers would be in 4th grade, so what would be the more correct comparison?

Doesn't the 9 put your kid in the pool?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Second grade teacher at a center school. I have enthusiastically supported students with scores like your child has OP and they have all got in to AAP (previously GT). On the other hand I have given GBRS as low as 6 to kids who had 140 and above on Nnat or CoGat subtest and they all got in too. Your child's scores are close enough that if the GBRS and commentary are high, he/she should get in.

This is why we won't do public in Ffx county. I don't want a second grade teacher making these decisions. Not qualified to determine who should be in a gifted program.

This poster is very ignorant of the process, as the GBRS with commentary is contributed to by MULTIPLE people at a school, including the K, 1st and 2nd grade teachers, counselors, and AART to name a few...there is a LOCAL screening committee at every school and we are told they always try and give the child the best opportunity to represent well in the GBRS. So why don't you learn a thing or two and then make comments?

NP here, but in our school it is the second grade teacher, AART, and principal who create the GBRS. (This came right from the second grade teacher). Clearly the principal won't have specific knowledge and AART is part time and either way may see your kid 1-2 hours/week only, so the poster is correct that the majority comes from the second grade teacher.

Forgot grade stanine is 6, 7, and 9 (verbal), age wise is lower (9, 6, 6). Child age peers would be in 4th grade, so what would be the more correct comparison?

Thank you all for the postings. It gave me some insights.
We are relatively new to the FCPS system with a 3rd grader and just learned this week about the Level IV program etc. The Cogat test results came in this weekend and I try to figure out what to do: referral or not. I feel left alone by the school and teacher. We even got our child into advanced math by coincidence and not because there was information distributed to the new parents in the area. Nevertheless, the CogAT score is surprising in every aspect (good and bad), I don't know if child should be in level IV placement, but child is not challenged in the normal classroom since he started school in kindergarten. Unfortunately child had a new school every school year (military) and still made it to be one of the top students each year. Bottom line there are NO records of his past performances in his file here including test results of similar tests.
Any recommendations about referral or not or even asking for other tests?

I don't think child is a genius, I only see it at every school so far that child comes home bored and explaining things to other students. That should not be the case or should it?

Anonymous wrote:Although being in the high reading, spelling, and math groups does not always mean a child should be in AAP, with those test scores I would still do a parent referral. Scores alone are not the only criteria for AAP. Many bright children with good work habits and effort are in the higher groups, while some gifted students struggle in a traditional classroom. That is why there are multiple sources of information included in the AAP portfolio.

Thanks!

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Anonymous wrote:Second grade teacher at a center school. I have enthusiastically supported students with scores like your child has OP and they have all got in to AAP (previously GT). On the other hand I have given GBRS as low as 6 to kids who had 140 and above on Nnat or CoGat subtest and they all got in too. Your child's scores are close enough that if the GBRS and commentary are high, he/she should get in.

This is why we won't do public in Ffx county. I don't want a second grade teacher making these decisions. Not qualified to determine who should be in a gifted program.

This poster is very ignorant of the process, as the GBRS with commentary is contributed to by MULTIPLE people at a school, including the K, 1st and 2nd grade teachers, counselors, and AART to name a few...there is a LOCAL screening committee at every school and we are told they always try and give the child the best opportunity to represent well in the GBRS. So why don't you learn a thing or two and then make comments?

I know exactly what the process is. AAP is ridiculous. It is both over-inclusive and under-inconclusive, which is quite a feat.

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Anonymous wrote:Second grade teacher at a center school. I have enthusiastically supported students with scores like your child has OP and they have all got in to AAP (previously GT). On the other hand I have given GBRS as low as 6 to kids who had 140 and above on Nnat or CoGat subtest and they all got in too. Your child's scores are close enough that if the GBRS and commentary are high, he/she should get in.

This is why we won't do public in Ffx county. I don't want a second grade teacher making these decisions. Not qualified to determine who should be in a gifted program.

This poster is very ignorant of the process, as the GBRS with commentary is contributed to by MULTIPLE people at a school, including the K, 1st and 2nd grade teachers, counselors, and AART to name a few...there is a LOCAL screening committee at every school and we are told they always try and give the child the best opportunity to represent well in the GBRS. So why don't you learn a thing or two and then make comments?

She is giving uninformed comments because she does not have a child in a fcps

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Anonymous wrote:Second grade teacher at a center school. I have enthusiastically supported students with scores like your child has OP and they have all got in to AAP (previously GT). On the other hand I have given GBRS as low as 6 to kids who had 140 and above on Nnat or CoGat subtest and they all got in too. Your child's scores are close enough that if the GBRS and commentary are high, he/she should get in.

This is why we won't do public in Ffx county. I don't want a second grade teacher making these decisions. Not qualified to determine who should be in a gifted program.

Wait a minute!

You don't have school age children yet and even if you did, they aren't goig to attend fcps?

What the heck are you doing in the FAIRFAX COUNTY Public Schools AAP forum?

You have nothing of value to contribute to this discussion in either direction: pro or anti AAP.

We do have school aged children and live in FFx County. But AAP is such a cluster. Not sending our children there.