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Anonymous wrote:It's still creepy. Sorry to ruin your precious memories, but it's a creepy date rapey song.

What's with the baby talk?

Excuse me. Let me translate it into PC Bullshit for you:

The song makes me deeply uncomfortable. Even though it was from a *different time*, I still find the lyrics to be extremely problematic. Here you have a woman who is worried for her reputation, alone in a situation with a man who is trying to subtly force himself on her. He tries to intoxicate her, refuses to get her things so that if she leaves she's at the mercy of the elements and basically does everything he can to take her agency away from her. This is the sort of man who sees women as objects to be conquered, used and discarded at his leisure. It's not some adorable little winter time carol for lovers to serenade each other with. At best it's a parable about how when we view human beings as sexual creatures males are always lauded for their studly prowess while females are branded as low and without worth. At it's worst it glorifies the type of man who feels no need to obtain a woman's consent before engaging in sexual activities with her.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You bitches ruin everything.

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It's not their fault. The lyrics are what they are.

There is no need to write a thesis dissecting the hidden meanings, appropriateness, classiness of every single thing. You are not smarter/prettier/classier than the the same small town women you grew up with. Leave shit alone already.

Anonymous wrote:It's still creepy. Sorry to ruin your precious memories, but it's a creepy date rapey song.

What's with the baby talk?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You bitches ruin everything.

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It's not their fault. The lyrics are what they are.

Anonymous wrote:You bitches ruin everything.

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You bitches ruin everything.

It's still creepy. Sorry to ruin your precious memories, but it's a creepy date rapey song.

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Anonymous wrote:This song was written by Frank Loesser as a duet to be performed with his wife. It started as "their" song and they used to perform it at holiday parties. I think if you know the background, the song is not so creepy.

I know the background, and I still think it's creepy.

It was written in 1944, people. When people DID judge a woman for having premarital sex, and for wanting to have it! Times were different then, and the song reflects those times.

Remember Wake Up Little Suzy? 1957. She didn't even have sex with the guy but just fell asleep and "her reputation was shot". Also not a rapey song, though.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A guy trying to convince a woman to sleep with him is not rape.

Convince? There's no presentation of pros and cons of sleeping with the scumbag. The song is straight up pressuring a woman to stay and sleep with him, and telling her to drink more to dull her senses. That's definitely rapist behavior.

He's trying to talk his way into her pants. In my experience, a rapist doesn't bother with all that.

I think you have a skewed view of what a rapist is - not that this behavior alone makes a person a rapist but it's certainly the kind of behavior a date rapist might lead off with.

Skewed? No. Narrow? Probably, but I was speaking from experience.

Anonymous wrote:This song was written by Frank Loesser as a duet to be performed with his wife. It started as "their" song and they used to perform it at holiday parties. I think if you know the background, the song is not so creepy.

I know the background, and I still think it's creepy.

Thank you! At least someone on here knows the background behind this song. This is a perfectly innocent song that people are turning into a 'date rape' song.

This song was written by Frank Loesser as a duet to be performed with his wife. It started as "their" song and they used to perform it at holiday parties. I think if you know the background, the song is not so creepy.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's a rape-y song. But people get very upset when one points this out.

Most winter songs are about date rape. Everyone knows that snow means cocaine, wind means flatulence, fire means sexual arousal, hot chocolate means a penis, etc. and don't get me started on the little drummer boy. Woohee!

Yes! Reindeer's names are just euphemisms. For instance, are you a Vixen? And DH is a Dasher? Sure... we all want a Prancer.

And let's not even get started on Santa--the guy who slides down your chimney and deposits his packages under your "tree," only to rush home to his wife before you wake up.

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Anonymous wrote:I have always thought of it as verging on rapey; perhaps "prelude to a date rape."

But after reading the lyrics posted above I think it's more a study in slut shaming. You have a woman who wants to stay, but she knows her reputation is at stake. The guy doesn't give a shit; his reputation could only be bolstered and he just wants to get laid.

This. I've always thought of it as a date rapey song. But frankly, even if it's not, it's still gross. The idea of pressuring a woman into sex (getting her drunk, refusing to lend her a coat, etc.), the idea of a woman having to "say that she tried" to say no so she won't be labeled a whore, it's really off-putting. Enthusiastic consent, everyone -- that's the goal!

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Anonymous wrote:I have always thought of it as verging on rapey; perhaps "prelude to a date rape."

But after reading the lyrics posted above I think it's more a study in slut shaming. You have a woman who wants to stay, but she knows her reputation is at stake. The guy doesn't give a shit; his reputation could only be bolstered and he just wants to get laid.

This. I've always thought of it as a date rapey song. But frankly, even if it's not, it's still gross. The idea of pressuring a woman into sex (getting her drunk, refusing to lend her a coat, etc.), the idea of a woman having to "say that she tried" to say no so she won't be labeled a whore, it's really off-putting. Enthusiastic consent, everyone -- that's the goal!