Anonymous
Post 11/16/2013 18:05     Subject: P's and I's?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Who uses BCRs anymore?


Yes, one of the reasons that I like 2.0 is that it made BCRs go away.


BCRs will always be there one way or the other. It will be just called something else.

Regardless, in all standardized tests - along with the sections with multiple choice questions, there are writing sections as well.



My objections to the BCRs were:

1. There was a standard format. "I think that... I know this because... Also,... That is why I think that..." Which, ok, there's a time and a place for it, but
2. BCRs were the only writing they ever did.

The writing under 2.0 is much less standard-format, and also more varied.
Anonymous
Post 11/16/2013 16:38     Subject: P's and I's?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Who uses BCRs anymore?


Yes, one of the reasons that I like 2.0 is that it made BCRs go away.


BCRs will always be there one way or the other. It will be just called something else.

Regardless, in all standardized tests - along with the sections with multiple choice questions, there are writing sections as well.



like paragraphs?
Anonymous
Post 11/16/2013 13:01     Subject: P's and I's?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Who uses BCRs anymore?


Yes, one of the reasons that I like 2.0 is that it made BCRs go away.


BCRs will always be there one way or the other. It will be just called something else.

Regardless, in all standardized tests - along with the sections with multiple choice questions, there are writing sections as well.

Anonymous
Post 11/16/2013 06:53     Subject: P's and I's?
Anonymous wrote:Who uses BCRs anymore?


Yes, one of the reasons that I like 2.0 is that it made BCRs go away.
Anonymous
Post 11/15/2013 18:02     Subject: P's and I's?
Who uses BCRs anymore?



Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The new grading appears to be very subjective.

The old grading was based on 100% = perfect score and on down. Was likely more objective.


100% of what, though?

Grading is subjective, period.


No, it doesn't have to be. You have an exam at the end of the semester, which determines the attainment grade, like they do in civilized countries.


Yes, grading isn't subjective if the whole grade for the semester is determined by the results of one single test that everybody in the whole country takes. Which is not how I define "civilized" -- especially at the elementary school level -- but ok.


Actually, depends on how the tests are structured and administered. Perhaps after every lesson kids take a comprehensive test - multiple choice, and BCRs included? And in the end - add these test scores up?

Since this country is having a crisis in education maybe it is worth the effort to see how other countries are doing.
Anonymous
Post 11/15/2013 18:02     Subject: Re:P's and I's?
I've taught for years.

Grading is subjective. And for that reason, I rather enjoy the use of Ps and Is, as kids can master a standard or concept, and parents aren't wigging out over whether they mastered it at an A, A-, B+, B, B- level, etc, etc.

Nothing is objective. Journalism is proof of that!

nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous wrote:If you believe that grading can only be subjective then you have never taught or you are a bad teacher. It is a lot of work to put in place and maintain an objective grading standard. It is even MORE work to give students consistent feedback and teach them so they can earn the highest grade reflective of their potential. It is far easier to present the material, let the kids work without any guidance, and then "grade" them on a curve or cluster them all into the same grade.

There is nothing in MCPS that rewards teachers for teaching. There are several dedicated teachers who embrace the idea of getting each child to work to their potential but most don't or feel they don't have time. The central office doesn't care at all. Their focus is solely test performance and the bottom performers.
Anonymous
Post 11/15/2013 15:42     Subject: P's and I's?
Great now folks are suggesting we judge our kid's education and intelligence based solely on test scores -- BRILLIANT!
NOT!
Anonymous
Post 11/15/2013 15:29     Subject: P's and I's?
Anonymous wrote:

Actually, depends on how the tests are structured and administered. Perhaps after every lesson kids take a comprehensive test - multiple choice, and BCRs included? And in the end - add these test scores up?

Since this country is having a crisis in education maybe it is worth the effort to see how other countries are doing.


A lovely idea. Suppose you start, by providing specific information about particular specific countries?

And I didn't know that the US was having a crisis in education, but if we are, we've been having it since at least 1983, if not since 1957.
Anonymous
Post 11/15/2013 15:26     Subject: P's and I's?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The new grading appears to be very subjective.

The old grading was based on 100% = perfect score and on down. Was likely more objective.


100% of what, though?

Grading is subjective, period.


No, it doesn't have to be. You have an exam at the end of the semester, which determines the attainment grade, like they do in civilized countries.


Yes, grading isn't subjective if the whole grade for the semester is determined by the results of one single test that everybody in the whole country takes. Which is not how I define "civilized" -- especially at the elementary school level -- but ok.


Actually, depends on how the tests are structured and administered. Perhaps after every lesson kids take a comprehensive test - multiple choice, and BCRs included? And in the end - add these test scores up?

Since this country is having a crisis in education maybe it is worth the effort to see how other countries are doing.
Anonymous
Post 11/15/2013 11:37     Subject: P's and I's?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The new grading appears to be very subjective.

The old grading was based on 100% = perfect score and on down. Was likely more objective.


100% of what, though?

Grading is subjective, period.


No, it doesn't have to be. You have an exam at the end of the semester, which determines the attainment grade, like they do in civilized countries.


Yes, grading isn't subjective if the whole grade for the semester is determined by the results of one single test that everybody in the whole country takes. Which is not how I define "civilized" -- especially at the elementary school level -- but ok.