Anonymous
10/23/2013 23:19
Subject: FCPS leads SATs, Arlington second, Maryland school scores drop for the third straight year
Maybe it's a falicy that FCPS is the "gold standard" and in reality, Alington is really the "gold standard?"
Anonymous
10/23/2013 23:16
Subject: Re:FCPS leads SATs, Arlington second, Maryland school scores drop for the third straight year
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Average scores in Fairfax are higher than in Arlington. Just like some douchebag in Arlington to think only white people matter.
No one said that "only white people matter" -- you're awfully eager to find an insult where there is none.
I am not in Arlington, but I posed the question comparing white kids in Arlington and white kids in FCPS b/c that is a rough way to take out the kids who are most likely to be ESOL or have poverty issues. Now, before you get your knickers in a pinch, I realize that there are white kids who are FARMS, but as a whole, we all know that poverty and language problems are less common in the white populations. It's also not fair to label a school or district as "bad" just b/c they have more minority/poor kids mixed into their average score. If the kids least likely to have poverty/language issues are doing well -- that tells me the school IS doing something right.
So, back to the question -- what's the explanation for why the white kids in Arlington are scoring higher than the white kids in FCPS? Here's a hypothesis -- maybe the housing options are such that the white kids in Arlington are coming from a higher socio/economic households than the white kids (overall) in FCPS? Does anyone have a different explanation?
Yeah, the white kids in Arlington are smarter than the white kids in Fairfax.
Anonymous
10/23/2013 23:16
Subject: Re:FCPS leads SATs, Arlington second, Maryland school scores drop for the third straight year
Anonymous wrote:Average scores in Fairfax are higher than in Arlington. Just like some douchebag in Arlington to think only white people matter.
Someone doesn't understand statistics. You know what matters? Crosstabs. Crosstabs matter a whole hell of a lot.
Anonymous
10/23/2013 23:14
Subject: Re:FCPS leads SATs, Arlington second, Maryland school scores drop for the third straight year
Anonymous wrote:Average scores in Fairfax are higher than in Arlington. Just like some douchebag in Arlington to think only white people matter.
No one said that "only white people matter" -- you're awfully eager to find an insult where there is none.
I am not in Arlington, but I posed the question comparing white kids in Arlington and white kids in FCPS b/c that is a rough way to take out the kids who are most likely to be ESOL or have poverty issues. Now, before you get your knickers in a pinch, I realize that there are white kids who are FARMS, but as a whole, we all know that poverty and language problems are less common in the white populations. It's also not fair to label a school or district as "bad" just b/c they have more minority/poor kids mixed into their average score. If the kids least likely to have poverty/language issues are doing well -- that tells me the school IS doing something right.
So, back to the question -- what's the explanation for why the white kids in Arlington are scoring higher than the white kids in FCPS? Here's a hypothesis -- maybe the housing options are such that the white kids in Arlington are coming from a higher socio/economic households than the white kids (overall) in FCPS? Does anyone have a different explanation?
Anonymous
10/23/2013 22:59
Subject: Re:FCPS leads SATs, Arlington second, Maryland school scores drop for the third straight year
Anonymous wrote:Average scores in Fairfax are higher than in Arlington. Just like some douchebag in Arlington to think only white people matter.
AND YET YOU RAN TO COMPARE THEM
Anonymous
10/23/2013 22:55
Subject: Re:FCPS leads SATs, Arlington second, Maryland school scores drop for the third straight year
Average scores in Fairfax are higher than in Arlington. Just like some douchebag in Arlington to think only white people matter.
Anonymous
10/23/2013 22:49
Subject: FCPS leads SATs, Arlington second, Maryland school scores drop for the third straight year
Why are the average scores for White kids in Arlington so much higher than in FCPS or the state? I'm impressed. I thought FCPS was going to be higher.
Anonymous
10/23/2013 18:05
Subject: FCPS leads SATs, Arlington second, Maryland school scores drop for the third straight year
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What about FCCPS?
FCCPS was number one actually.
That's what happens when you retrocede the poor, minority part of the city to the surrounding county, and then establish a separate school system.
http://fallschurchtimes.com/24617/man-about-town-shooting-down-some-school-myths/
To the FCC haters. The retrocession of the black part of the Town of Falls Church called South Falls Church took place in the 1870's in Jim Crow era Virginia filled with confederate war veterans and supporters. The creation of the City of Falls Church in 1948, by a population of mostly military and New Deal professionals, didn't retrocede anything. In fact, parts of east side of the Town of Falls Church didn't want to be part of the new city and remained part of Arlington or Fairfax County. They wanted more control of the schools in an era when there was a population boom in Fairfax County and the school district had to devote a lot of resources to build new schools far away from the Town of Falls Church. In essence, the power center of Fairfax County was changing and they felt they no longer had any control after being the main population center for a century. There were no effort to carve out any minority neighborhoods because they had already been carved out 70 years prior.
Not to say the 1940's era City of Falls Church were a bunch of angels, as the whole state of Virginia's public schools were segregated until the 1960's with Arlington leading the charge for desegregation and the other jurisdictions dragging their feet.
To the FCC boosters, and from the mouth of an FCC resident:
"I think it’s important to make the point that our school “ranking” benefits enormously from the 1948 gerrymandered shrinking of City limits to exclude the economically less advantaged. Sure, our schools generate top test scores – but so do many other public schools in well-to-do neighborhoods. The difference is that Falls Church has no schools on the other side of the tracks to dilute the top scores."
It's very clear that the pattern throughout FCC's history has been to discriminate against poor and minority residents, and then pat itself on the back with the results.
Anonymous
10/23/2013 16:13
Subject: FCPS leads SATs, Arlington second, Maryland school scores drop for the third straight year
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What about FCCPS?
FCCPS was number one actually.
That's what happens when you retrocede the poor, minority part of the city to the surrounding county, and then establish a separate school system.
http://fallschurchtimes.com/24617/man-about-town-shooting-down-some-school-myths/
To the FCC haters. The retrocession of the black part of the Town of Falls Church called South Falls Church took place in the 1870's in Jim Crow era Virginia filled with confederate war veterans and supporters. The creation of the City of Falls Church in 1948, by a population of mostly military and New Deal professionals, didn't retrocede anything. In fact, parts of east side of the Town of Falls Church didn't want to be part of the new city and remained part of Arlington or Fairfax County. They wanted more control of the schools in an era when there was a population boom in Fairfax County and the school district had to devote a lot of resources to build new schools far away from the Town of Falls Church. In essence, the power center of Fairfax County was changing and they felt they no longer had any control after being the main population center for a century. There were no effort to carve out any minority neighborhoods because they had already been carved out 70 years prior.
Not to say the 1940's era City of Falls Church were a bunch of angels, as the whole state of Virginia's public schools were segregated until the 1960's with Arlington leading the charge for desegregation and the other jurisdictions dragging their feet.
Anonymous
09/28/2013 14:34
Subject: Re:FCPS leads SATs, Arlington second, Maryland school scores drop for the third straight year
The top school in Loudoun is below the FCPS average? That's kind of surprising.
Anonymous
09/28/2013 11:42
Subject: FCPS leads SATs, Arlington second, Maryland school scores drop for the third straight year
Loudoun schools:
Stone Bridge 1662
Loudoun Valley 1659
Dominion 1650
Briar Woods 1646
Woodgrove 1638
Potomac Falls 1635
Broad Run 1628
Freedom 1613
LCPS AVERAGE 1606
Heritage 1603
Tuscarora 1588
Loudoun County 1573
Park View 1491
Stone Bridge 1662
Loudoun Valley 1659
Dominion 1650
Briar Woods 1646
Woodgrove 1638
Potomac Falls 1635
Broad Run 1628
Freedom 1613
LCPS AVERAGE 1606
Heritage 1603
Tuscarora 1588
Loudoun County 1573
Park View 1491
Anonymous
09/28/2013 10:43
Subject: FCPS leads SATs, Arlington second, Maryland school scores drop for the third straight year
What sort of changes are even statistically meaningful for an individual school (sample size of maybe 500-900, with 300 kids taking the test 1-3 times), and a school system? (I don't know if this is ALL tests a student takes, or best scores only.)
Anonymous
09/27/2013 16:38
Subject: FCPS leads SATs, Arlington second, Maryland school scores drop for the third straight year
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:ACPS/TCWHS 2013 SAT composite score was 1434.
Full details here: http://www.alexandrianews.org/t-c-nations-sat-scores-remain-flat-while-virginia-scores-rise/
Given our diverse student body and low non-white SAT scores, I suggest the new Superintendent be of Minority Race drawn from NYC, Philadelphia, Norfolk, New Haven or like kind cities to emulate/model/reach to success for all our students. Time to change from the historic caucasian superintendent in Alexandria City.
White students in TC scored 1670, outperforming FFX. This is why so many (white) parents come on here being all boosterish and touting the virtues of diversity.
It's plainly obvious ACPS delayed releasing its scores until it could figure out the best way to message the atrocious achievement gap.
White students at TC scored higher than the overall FCPS average (1663) but lower than the FCPS average for white students (1719).
The horror. I'll trade the extra points for a house I can afford, a great neighborhood, laid-back neighbors, and a short commute. If I moved to Arlington, I wouldn't be able to afford to send my kid to college anyway.
I don't know if it's a horror or not, but you might as well compare apples-to-apples. The prior post seemed to imply white students at TC outperform their white peers in Fairfax, due to the diversity, but the scores don't back that up.
No, you're right. The other post was misleading. Just tired of people snickering about ACPS on these boards since I know so many people who go there and teachers who work there. The "lol" on OP's post started me off in a bad mood.
Many of us know kids and teachers at ACPS if we bother to post about ACPS here. This thread states nothing about the teachers who, by and large, are great but suffered immensely from the recent administration cacophony of new roll outs and teaching to the test rather than being allowed to just teach as the professionals they are. Student boredom, repetitively brought up by the at risk students themselves, especially in later years, requires very creative teacher response. That needs to be considered in the discussion of how to reach out and get fundamentals down so to effect rising SAT scores.
This thread sticks to unemotional facts about ACPS 2013 SAT results.
Do others ever consider many of us care a LOT about ACPS and that's why we give praise when due, and share grievances when not? Accolades alone won't fix the ACPS perception. There's enough to be done in ACPS for us all to contribute.
Anonymous
09/27/2013 15:23
Subject: FCPS leads SATs, Arlington second, Maryland school scores drop for the third straight year
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:ACPS/TCWHS 2013 SAT composite score was 1434.
Full details here: http://www.alexandrianews.org/t-c-nations-sat-scores-remain-flat-while-virginia-scores-rise/
Given our diverse student body and low non-white SAT scores, I suggest the new Superintendent be of Minority Race drawn from NYC, Philadelphia, Norfolk, New Haven or like kind cities to emulate/model/reach to success for all our students. Time to change from the historic caucasian superintendent in Alexandria City.
White students in TC scored 1670, outperforming FFX. This is why so many (white) parents come on here being all boosterish and touting the virtues of diversity.
It's plainly obvious ACPS delayed releasing its scores until it could figure out the best way to message the atrocious achievement gap.
White students at TC scored higher than the overall FCPS average (1663) but lower than the FCPS average for white students (1719).
The horror. I'll trade the extra points for a house I can afford, a great neighborhood, laid-back neighbors, and a short commute. If I moved to Arlington, I wouldn't be able to afford to send my kid to college anyway.
I don't know if it's a horror or not, but you might as well compare apples-to-apples. The prior post seemed to imply white students at TC outperform their white peers in Fairfax, due to the diversity, but the scores don't back that up.
No, you're right. The other post was misleading. Just tired of people snickering about ACPS on these boards since I know so many people who go there and teachers who work there. The "lol" on OP's post started me off in a bad mood.
Anonymous
09/27/2013 15:16
Subject: FCPS leads SATs, Arlington second, Maryland school scores drop for the third straight year
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:ACPS/TCWHS 2013 SAT composite score was 1434.
Full details here: http://www.alexandrianews.org/t-c-nations-sat-scores-remain-flat-while-virginia-scores-rise/
Given our diverse student body and low non-white SAT scores, I suggest the new Superintendent be of Minority Race drawn from NYC, Philadelphia, Norfolk, New Haven or like kind cities to emulate/model/reach to success for all our students. Time to change from the historic caucasian superintendent in Alexandria City.
White students in TC scored 1670, outperforming FFX. This is why so many (white) parents come on here being all boosterish and touting the virtues of diversity.
It's plainly obvious ACPS delayed releasing its scores until it could figure out the best way to message the atrocious achievement gap.
White students at TC scored higher than the overall FCPS average (1663) but lower than the FCPS average for white students (1719).
The horror. I'll trade the extra points for a house I can afford, a great neighborhood, laid-back neighbors, and a short commute. If I moved to Arlington, I wouldn't be able to afford to send my kid to college anyway.
Ha PP: you'll be singing dixie over your response to those lower SAT percentage points when your kids are applying to college!
I'm pretty sure I won't. I'm not like you people. I really don't care if he goes to a name-brand school.