Anonymous
09/03/2013 16:43
Subject: Lap children and Asiana crash
Anonymous wrote:What happens once the baby turns 2? Do families magically all of a sudden have the money for an extra seat? Or do you not travel as much anymore because of budget constraints?
When the baby turns two, or more correctly when both of our babies turned two, we stopped flying all together. Too bad, we can't fly to see Grandma in CA any longer, but we can't afford it.
Anonymous
09/02/2013 20:36
Subject: Re:Lap children and Asiana crash
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This mom lost her lap baby in a crash and now the flight attendant who instructed her during that crash lobbies for kids to be in car seats. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1999-02-12/news/9902120412_1_brown-lohr-child-safety-seats-parents-laps
Think about it- if a beverage cart has to be locked into place, why shouldn't a child? Crashes are rare, thank goodness, but turbulence happens more frequently and not only can a child fly out of your arms, they will also become a dangerous projectile to other passengers.
Well she put her baby on the floor...I don't consider that a lap baby, that is a floor baby. Of course if a baby is on the floor and only being onto with her feet, turbulence could be an issue. I don't put my baby on the floor during turbulence.
Turbulence doesn't always give you warning. But you're immortal and superhuman, so of course you could grab your child back in time.
This wasn't turbulence - the plane crashed.
Anonymous
09/02/2013 20:28
Subject: Re:Lap children and Asiana crash
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This mom lost her lap baby in a crash and now the flight attendant who instructed her during that crash lobbies for kids to be in car seats. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1999-02-12/news/9902120412_1_brown-lohr-child-safety-seats-parents-laps
Think about it- if a beverage cart has to be locked into place, why shouldn't a child? Crashes are rare, thank goodness, but turbulence happens more frequently and not only can a child fly out of your arms, they will also become a dangerous projectile to other passengers.
Well she put her baby on the floor...I don't consider that a lap baby, that is a floor baby. Of course if a baby is on the floor and only being onto with her feet, turbulence could be an issue. I don't put my baby on the floor during turbulence.
People always quote this incident, that happened 25 years ago! And they were not a lap baby, they were a floor baby. And a hundred other people died...in their seatbelts. And how many MILIONS upon MILLIONS of people have flown in those 25 years?
It actually only proves our point: It's about as close to 100 percent safe as can be.
Anonymous
09/02/2013 20:23
Subject: Re:Lap children and Asiana crash
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This mom lost her lap baby in a crash and now the flight attendant who instructed her during that crash lobbies for kids to be in car seats. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1999-02-12/news/9902120412_1_brown-lohr-child-safety-seats-parents-laps
Think about it- if a beverage cart has to be locked into place, why shouldn't a child? Crashes are rare, thank goodness, but turbulence happens more frequently and not only can a child fly out of your arms, they will also become a dangerous projectile to other passengers.
Well she put her baby on the floor...I don't consider that a lap baby, that is a floor baby. Of course if a baby is on the floor and only being onto with her feet, turbulence could be an issue. I don't put my baby on the floor during turbulence.
Turbulence doesn't always give you warning. But you're immortal and superhuman, so of course you could grab your child back in time.
Anonymous
09/02/2013 20:03
Subject: Re:Lap children and Asiana crash
Anonymous wrote:This mom lost her lap baby in a crash and now the flight attendant who instructed her during that crash lobbies for kids to be in car seats. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1999-02-12/news/9902120412_1_brown-lohr-child-safety-seats-parents-laps
Think about it- if a beverage cart has to be locked into place, why shouldn't a child? Crashes are rare, thank goodness, but turbulence happens more frequently and not only can a child fly out of your arms, they will also become a dangerous projectile to other passengers.
112 people died. Are you suggesting they were all lap babies. That the seatbelted passengers survived?
Anonymous
09/02/2013 20:01
Subject: Re:Lap children and Asiana crash
Anonymous wrote:This mom lost her lap baby in a crash and now the flight attendant who instructed her during that crash lobbies for kids to be in car seats. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1999-02-12/news/9902120412_1_brown-lohr-child-safety-seats-parents-laps
Think about it- if a beverage cart has to be locked into place, why shouldn't a child? Crashes are rare, thank goodness, but turbulence happens more frequently and not only can a child fly out of your arms, they will also become a dangerous projectile to other passengers.
Well she put her baby on the floor...I don't consider that a lap baby, that is a floor baby. Of course if a baby is on the floor and only being onto with her feet, turbulence could be an issue. I don't put my baby on the floor during turbulence.
Anonymous
09/02/2013 19:58
Subject: Re:Lap children and Asiana crash
This mom lost her lap baby in a crash and now the flight attendant who instructed her during that crash lobbies for kids to be in car seats. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1999-02-12/news/9902120412_1_brown-lohr-child-safety-seats-parents-laps
Think about it- if a beverage cart has to be locked into place, why shouldn't a child? Crashes are rare, thank goodness, but turbulence happens more frequently and not only can a child fly out of your arms, they will also become a dangerous projectile to other passengers.
Think about it- if a beverage cart has to be locked into place, why shouldn't a child? Crashes are rare, thank goodness, but turbulence happens more frequently and not only can a child fly out of your arms, they will also become a dangerous projectile to other passengers.
Anonymous
09/02/2013 16:58
Subject: Lap children and Asiana crash
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would never have considered carrying my child on my lap. Ask pilots and flight attendants, and they will always tell you to please buy a seat for your child. Ever been in clear air turbulence? I've seen flight attendants get thrown up and break a limb. What chance does a small child have?
Drive, pay for a seat, or stay home. If you are being relocated for work, your employer will pay for a seat for all members of your family.
When you regularly fly internationally - long haul - it's too expensive. Life is full of risks. That one we're willing to take.
Then stop flying internationally so much. Parenting is full of sacrifices--maybe for you one of those sacrifices should be your fabulous jet-setter lifestyle.
Ha ha ... so don't see my mom, dad, brothers, nieces, nephews, etc. in Australia! Thanks, but keep your advice to yourself!
And won't it be wonderful to see them all at your kid's funeral some day? I'm not giving advice, must making a commentary on a horrific situation.
You're a nut!!
By the way, when I've flown to Australia with a lap baby, we're given extra seat belts to attach to our own seat belts during turbulence so even if I lost grip, there'd be something there. Sure, it's not perfect, but it's something.
Whatever ... we each have our own decisions to make and risks to balance. There is no way in hell I won't see my family or have my kids know their extended family because of a fear of something terrible happening to a plane. What kind of life is that?
I'm a nut? I'm not the one playing Russian roulette with my kid's life for my own selfish amusement.
Those "extra seatbelts" aren't there to protect your kid. They are there to prevent your kid from becoming a projectile and injuring other, PAYING passengers.
Allowing my children to know their grandparents in Australia is "my own selfish amusement"? You really are nuts. I think you must have really high levels of anxiety or something if you think I should never visit my home town and family because we might be involved in a plane accident. I feel really sorry for you if that's how you live your life.
Anonymous
09/02/2013 16:55
Subject: Lap children and Asiana crash
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would never have considered carrying my child on my lap. Ask pilots and flight attendants, and they will always tell you to please buy a seat for your child. Ever been in clear air turbulence? I've seen flight attendants get thrown up and break a limb. What chance does a small child have?
Drive, pay for a seat, or stay home. If you are being relocated for work, your employer will pay for a seat for all members of your family.
When you regularly fly internationally - long haul - it's too expensive. Life is full of risks. That one we're willing to take.
Then stop flying internationally so much. Parenting is full of sacrifices--maybe for you one of those sacrifices should be your fabulous jet-setter lifestyle.
Ha ha ... so don't see my mom, dad, brothers, nieces, nephews, etc. in Australia! Thanks, but keep your advice to yourself!
And won't it be wonderful to see them all at your kid's funeral some day? I'm not giving advice, must making a commentary on a horrific situation.
You're a nut!!
By the way, when I've flown to Australia with a lap baby, we're given extra seat belts to attach to our own seat belts during turbulence so even if I lost grip, there'd be something there. Sure, it's not perfect, but it's something.
Whatever ... we each have our own decisions to make and risks to balance. There is no way in hell I won't see my family or have my kids know their extended family because of a fear of something terrible happening to a plane. What kind of life is that?
I'm a nut? I'm not the one playing Russian roulette with my kid's life for my own selfish amusement.
Those "extra seatbelts" aren't there to protect your kid. They are there to prevent your kid from becoming a projectile and injuring other, PAYING passengers.
Anonymous
09/02/2013 16:16
Subject: Lap children and Asiana crash
Anonymous wrote:What happens once the baby turns 2? Do families magically all of a sudden have the money for an extra seat? Or do you not travel as much anymore because of budget constraints?
Well, at age 2, daycare is cheaper than for an infant, you child is likely potty trained so you're saving the expense of diapers, and you may also be spending less on feeding your child if you no longer are paying for formula. That's a pretty significant chunk of change in your budget, even if income is the same. Probably enough savings in a month to pay for a domestic air ticket.
Anonymous
09/02/2013 16:03
Subject: Lap children and Asiana crash
What happens once the baby turns 2? Do families magically all of a sudden have the money for an extra seat? Or do you not travel as much anymore because of budget constraints?
Anonymous
09/02/2013 15:15
Subject: Lap children and Asiana crash
Anonymous wrote:I would never have considered carrying my child on my lap. Ask pilots and flight attendants, and they will always tell you to please buy a seat for your child. Ever been in clear air turbulence? I've seen flight attendants get thrown up and break a limb. What chance does a small child have?
Drive, pay for a seat, or stay home. If you are being relocated for work, your employer will pay for a seat for all members of your family.
Worst advice EVER.
Anonymous
09/02/2013 14:53
Subject: Lap children and Asiana crash
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would never have considered carrying my child on my lap. Ask pilots and flight attendants, and they will always tell you to please buy a seat for your child. Ever been in clear air turbulence? I've seen flight attendants get thrown up and break a limb. What chance does a small child have?
Drive, pay for a seat, or stay home. If you are being relocated for work, your employer will pay for a seat for all members of your family.
When you regularly fly internationally - long haul - it's too expensive. Life is full of risks. That one we're willing to take.
Then stop flying internationally so much. Parenting is full of sacrifices--maybe for you one of those sacrifices should be your fabulous jet-setter lifestyle.
Ha ha ... so don't see my mom, dad, brothers, nieces, nephews, etc. in Australia! Thanks, but keep your advice to yourself!
And won't it be wonderful to see them all at your kid's funeral some day? I'm not giving advice, must making a commentary on a horrific situation.
You're a nut!!
By the way, when I've flown to Australia with a lap baby, we're given extra seat belts to attach to our own seat belts during turbulence so even if I lost grip, there'd be something there. Sure, it's not perfect, but it's something.
Whatever ... we each have our own decisions to make and risks to balance. There is no way in hell I won't see my family or have my kids know their extended family because of a fear of something terrible happening to a plane. What kind of life is that?
Anonymous
09/02/2013 14:47
Subject: Lap children and Asiana crash
Nobody has ever shown me evidence of a flight where the lap baby died as a result of turbulence. Not saying it can't happen, but I would like a link to the article.
Somebody once referenced a 1994 Charlotte us airways crash. I combed the Internet looking for mention of a lap baby, I didn't find one. I did find that most of the seatbelted people died anyway.
Anyway, please post links to the stories.
Somebody once referenced a 1994 Charlotte us airways crash. I combed the Internet looking for mention of a lap baby, I didn't find one. I did find that most of the seatbelted people died anyway.
Anyway, please post links to the stories.
Anonymous
09/02/2013 13:56
Subject: Lap children and Asiana crash
No. I'm more concerned with turbulence than a crash.