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Anonymous wrote:According to a recent Sidwell publication University of Michigan was the number one school in terms of both applicants (26 out of a class of about 120, or 22%) AND Sidwell students attending. At Whitman it's second to UMD in terms of number of applicants (100 applicants out of about 450 students, or 22%), and probably number attending as well. According to that same publication 2 or fewer Sidwell students went to Princeton and Yale, 3 to Harvard. Not too dissimilar. By contrast, Sidwell has one going to Penn while 7 were admitted from Whitman.

Isn't Whitman 4-5 times as big as Sidwell?

They have the same percentage going to Michigan - it doesn't matter how big the school is.

I think you are mis-reading between applications, acceptances, and attending. Assuming her data is accurate, the first poster in this string points out that roughly the same percentage of students from each school applied to Michigan (22%). 49 of those 100 applying students from Whitman were accepted (49%). We don't know the percentage admitted from Sidwell. We know that 11 students from Whitman (2.4%), and 8 from Sidwell (6.6%), ultimately chose to attend Michigan.

For Harvard, we know 25 Whitman students applied (5.5%), and 2 were accepted (0.4%), but we don't know how many chose to attend Harvard (??). We don't know how many Sidwell students applied to Harvard (??), or how many were admitted (??), but we know 3 or more chose to attend (2.5% or more).

So it's interesting that more of the students admitted to Michigan from Sidwell chose to attend, while the Whitman students did not. Of course the sample size is small - could be the Whitman students had better options and more used it as a safety school, or that they chose to attend UMD instead because of relative cost, or something else entirely.

A little more data - of the 5 Whitman students admitted to HYP, 4 chose to attend. So possibly one of the admits was an overlap, or that kid may have chosen another school altogether. 6 of the 7 Penn admits chose to attend. 9 of the 11 Cornell admits chose to attend (lower than prior years on this school). I suspect there isn't much overlap because a lot are ED/EA apps.

Overall I think what this all tells us is that the top students at Whitman are doing just as well as the top students at Sidwell. But they are very different experiences and may not be the right fit for every kid.

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Anonymous wrote:For Whitman - arguable one of the top 5 public schools in the country. Billed as the best public high school in the area.

Yale - 17 applied - 1 got in
Harvard - 25 applied - 2 got in
Princeton - 22 applied - 2 got in

That is about the same as the broader admissions pool.

Not impressive and not the same as the Big 3.

Public schools parents rant as rave - save your money -- in this case - it appears money was saved and the results were nowhere near the same.

You need to take a trip on over to the "Any Parents Disappointed With College Placement?" thread. There you can check out the lists from elite privates for non-HYP acceptances/matriculations, and while you're there you can ogle all the nasty posters calling, for example, certain STA results dismal and worse.

According to a recent Sidwell publication University of Michigan was the number one school in terms of both applicants (26 out of a class of about 120, or 22%) AND Sidwell students attending. At Whitman it's second to UMD in terms of number of applicants (100 applicants out of about 450 students, or 22%), and probably number attending as well. According to that same publication 2 or fewer Sidwell students went to Princeton and Yale, 3 to Harvard. Not too dissimilar. By contrast, Sidwell has one going to Penn while 7 were admitted from Whitman.

Isn't Whitman 4-5 times as big as Sidwell?

They have the same percentage going to Michigan - it doesn't matter how big the school is.

The post you cite doesn't state either absolute number or the percentage of Sidwell students attending Michigan; the numbers it cites are for students applying to Michigan.

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Anonymous wrote:According to a recent Sidwell publication University of Michigan was the number one school in terms of both applicants (26 out of a class of about 120, or 22%) AND Sidwell students attending. At Whitman it's second to UMD in terms of number of applicants (100 applicants out of about 450 students, or 22%), and probably number attending as well. According to that same publication 2 or fewer Sidwell students went to Princeton and Yale, 3 to Harvard. Not too dissimilar. By contrast, Sidwell has one going to Penn while 7 were admitted from Whitman.

Isn't Whitman 4-5 times as big as Sidwell?

They have the same percentage going to Michigan - it doesn't matter how big the school is.

I think you are mis-reading between applications, acceptances, and attending. Assuming her data is accurate, the first poster in this string points out that roughly the same percentage of students from each school applied to Michigan (22%). 49 of those 100 applying students from Whitman were accepted (49%). We don't know the percentage admitted from Sidwell. We know that 11 students from Whitman (2.4%), and 8 from Sidwell (6.6%), ultimately chose to attend Michigan.

For Harvard, we know 25 Whitman students applied (5.5%), and 2 were accepted (0.4%), but we don't know how many chose to attend Harvard (??). We don't know how many Sidwell students applied to Harvard (??), or how many were admitted (??), but we know 3 or more chose to attend (2.5% or more).

Anonymous wrote:Interesting discussion. I have not read the article but are people on the board saying that even the best public schools in the area don't compete with the best private schools. The four Ws may or may not be inferior to the best private but I am certain that you can't finalize the analysis based on which school sent the most kids to the Ivy League. There are many factors that go into where a student gets accepted including racial background, legacy, development, etc. I would also argue when determining class size you have to take into account that only the top 25% of Whitman, Churchill, B-CC are competitive with the top classes at the top privates.

I think OP's intent was to say the top privates do a better job at sending kids to Ivies than the top publics. But numerous posters have concluded, after looking at the Bethesda Magazine table, that the numbers don't seem to bear this out.

You are correct, though, that numerous factors go into the acceptance decision and also that probably only the top 25-50% of Whitman kids are going head-to-head with Sidwell kids for those HYP acceptances. The acceptance ratios (# accepted / # applying) help abstract from this.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the Landon School list for 2013:

https://www.landon.net/uploaded/documents/admissions/2012-2013/College_Matriculation_2013.pdf

10/80 Ivy League
20/80 Top 25

Schools that are near the top 25 (Wake Forrest, BC, Oberlin) are also well represented, but very few at big state schools.

Yeah, but then you'd have to go to Landon.

Didn't the murder kid go to Landon and play lacrosse?

Anonymous wrote:If those Sidwell numbers are correct it seems that someone has been fibbing about Sidwell matriculation on these forums

Tsk tsk - not a very Quaker thing to do.

I'm sure someone can find a top 25 ranking for Michigan somewhere, but as I read it #29 isn't top 25.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/university-of-michigan-ann-arbor-9092

I thought 30% of Sidwell grads went to Ivy League schools? Or is that schools with Ivy on at least one building?

There are so many rankings out there that you could probably claim that at least 100 different schools are the top 25. But the US news rankings are the ones colleges care about.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the Landon School list for 2013:

https://www.landon.net/uploaded/documents/admissions/2012-2013/College_Matriculation_2013.pdf

10/80 Ivy League
20/80 Top 25

Schools that are near the top 25 (Wake Forrest, BC, Oberlin) are also well represented, but very few at big state schools.

Yeah, but then you'd have to go to Landon.

Which is a real hallenge if you are a girl or a girly boy?

Interesting discussion. I have not read the article but are people on the board saying that even the best public schools in the area don't compete with the best private schools. The four Ws may or may not be inferior to the best private but I am certain that you can't finalize the analysis based on which school sent the most kids to the Ivy League. There are many factors that go into where a student gets accepted including racial background, legacy, development, etc. I would also argue when determining class size you have to take into account that only the top 25% of Whitman, Churchill, B-CC are competitive with the top classes at the top privates.

If those Sidwell numbers are correct it seems that someone has been fibbing about Sidwell matriculation on these forums

Tsk tsk - not a very Quaker thing to do.

I'm sure someone can find a top 25 ranking for Michigan somewhere, but as I read it #29 isn't top 25.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/university-of-michigan-ann-arbor-9092

I thought 30% of Sidwell grads went to Ivy League schools? Or is that schools with Ivy on at least one building?

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Anonymous wrote:For Whitman - arguable one of the top 5 public schools in the country. Billed as the best public high school in the area.

Yale - 17 applied - 1 got in
Harvard - 25 applied - 2 got in
Princeton - 22 applied - 2 got in

That is about the same as the broader admissions pool.

Not impressive and not the same as the Big 3.

Public schools parents rant as rave - save your money -- in this case - it appears money was saved and the results were nowhere near the same.

You need to take a trip on over to the "Any Parents Disappointed With College Placement?" thread. There you can check out the lists from elite privates for non-HYP acceptances/matriculations, and while you're there you can ogle all the nasty posters calling, for example, certain STA results dismal and worse.

According to a recent Sidwell publication University of Michigan was the number one school in terms of both applicants (26 out of a class of about 120, or 22%) AND Sidwell students attending. At Whitman it's second to UMD in terms of number of applicants (100 applicants out of about 450 students, or 22%), and probably number attending as well. According to that same publication 2 or fewer Sidwell students went to Princeton and Yale, 3 to Harvard. Not too dissimilar. By contrast, Sidwell has one going to Penn while 7 were admitted from Whitman.

Isn't Whitman 4-5 times as big as Sidwell?

They have the same percentage going to Michigan - it doesn't matter how big the school is.

Anonymous wrote:This is the Landon School list for 2013:

https://www.landon.net/uploaded/documents/admissions/2012-2013/College_Matriculation_2013.pdf

10/80 Ivy League
20/80 Top 25

Schools that are near the top 25 (Wake Forrest, BC, Oberlin) are also well represented, but very few at big state schools.

Yeah, but then you'd have to go to Landon.

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Anonymous wrote:For Whitman - arguable one of the top 5 public schools in the country. Billed as the best public high school in the area.

Yale - 17 applied - 1 got in
Harvard - 25 applied - 2 got in
Princeton - 22 applied - 2 got in

That is about the same as the broader admissions pool.

Not impressive and not the same as the Big 3.

Public schools parents rant as rave - save your money -- in this case - it appears money was saved and the results were nowhere near the same.

You need to take a trip on over to the "Any Parents Disappointed With College Placement?" thread. There you can check out the lists from elite privates for non-HYP acceptances/matriculations, and while you're there you can ogle all the nasty posters calling, for example, certain STA results dismal and worse.

According to a recent Sidwell publication University of Michigan was the number one school in terms of both applicants (26 out of a class of about 120, or 22%) AND Sidwell students attending. At Whitman it's second to UMD in terms of number of applicants (100 applicants out of about 450 students, or 22%), and probably number attending as well. According to that same publication 2 or fewer Sidwell students went to Princeton and Yale, 3 to Harvard. Not too dissimilar. By contrast, Sidwell has one going to Penn while 7 were admitted from Whitman.

Isn't Whitman 4-5 times as big as Sidwell?

Yes, but it takes all comers including a large Special Ed program. Sidwell hand picks its students who are presumably the best and brightest (and in some cases the richest and best connected). And Whitman families are far more likely to prefer UMD or other in state options than a Sidwell family. In fact based on my recent conversations with parents, more are aiming at UMD than in the past as people are starting to question the value of $60k/year tuitions. That's less of an issue for people who are already paying $35k for high school.

We've had an excellent experience at Whitman, but there are lots of choices so if you don't like it you are free to go to Sidwell. Neither school is right for everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:For Whitman - arguable one of the top 5 public schools in the country. Billed as the best public high school in the area.

Yale - 17 applied - 1 got in
Harvard - 25 applied - 2 got in
Princeton - 22 applied - 2 got in

That is about the same as the broader admissions pool.

Not impressive and not the same as the Big 3.

Public schools parents rant as rave - save your money -- in this case - it appears money was saved and the results were nowhere near the same.

You need to take a trip on over to the "Any Parents Disappointed With College Placement?" thread. There you can check out the lists from elite privates for non-HYP acceptances/matriculations, and while you're there you can ogle all the nasty posters calling, for example, certain STA results dismal and worse.

According to a recent Sidwell publication University of Michigan was the number one school in terms of both applicants (26 out of a class of about 120, or 22%) AND Sidwell students attending. At Whitman it's second to UMD in terms of number of applicants (100 applicants out of about 450 students, or 22%), and probably number attending as well. According to that same publication 2 or fewer Sidwell students went to Princeton and Yale, 3 to Harvard. Not too dissimilar. By contrast, Sidwell has one going to Penn while 7 were admitted from Whitman.

Isn't Whitman 4-5 times as big as Sidwell?

This is the Landon School list for 2013:

https://www.landon.net/uploaded/documents/admissions/2012-2013/College_Matriculation_2013.pdf

10/80 Ivy League
20/80 Top 25

Schools that are near the top 25 (Wake Forrest, BC, Oberlin) are also well represented, but very few at big state schools.

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Anonymous wrote:For Whitman - arguable one of the top 5 public schools in the country. Billed as the best public high school in the area.

Yale - 17 applied - 1 got in
Harvard - 25 applied - 2 got in
Princeton - 22 applied - 2 got in

That is about the same as the broader admissions pool.

Not impressive and not the same as the Big 3.

Public schools parents rant as rave - save your money -- in this case - it appears money was saved and the results were nowhere near the same.

LOL, so true! And in some cases, money may not even have been saved. I always laugh at the "save your money" people, who then go on to send their kids to schools where you have to buy an $800k+ home to even be in the boundaries to go there. Hardly a "public" school...

You don't understand that buying an $800k house is "saving" (building equity) compared to writing tuition checks? To quote another recent poster, please take the free course on the benefits of home ownership.

Hi clueless poster- the point is not everyone can afford an 800,000 house that enables them to go to a top public school.

Hey sweetie, not every house in the BCC or other districts costs $800k. In fact you can rent for much less in many places. But feel free to start a different thread on this if you need help stepping out of your bubble. Meanwhile, stop derailing with pointless asides like this one.