Anonymous
08/30/2013 10:50
Subject: "God Doesn't Give You More Than You Can Handle"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:God does not bring you misery, so he most certainly is not going to give you 'just enough' of it
I hate that saying.
I think it is most often a perversion (for lack of a better word ) of 2 Corinthians 12:9
9 " But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me."
Tell that to Job.
1) God allowed Satan to do that -- God did not do it
2) That was the old Testament -- when we were under the curse -- After Christ - we are under the Blood
that was why Christ was sent.
God says 'never to turn my face to you in wrath again
Jewish Person here. Could you identify what part of the "Old Testament" (specifically where it says) "we" were under a curse? Thank you. Because I have read the "Old Testament" many times and I have never seen any such thing said there.
Also, I have never read that God "allowed" Satan to do things to Job (or Noah, or Moses, or anyone else) or that Satan played any role in their travails. That's utter nonsense, made up by you.
See Deuteronomy 28.
Here is a New Testament scripture ( I know you don't believe in the NT)
Romans 5:12
12 Therefore, just as through aone man sin entered into the world, and bdeath through sin, and cso death spread to all men, because all sinned—
Anonymous
08/30/2013 10:41
Subject: Re:"God Doesn't Give You More Than You Can Handle"
Anonymous wrote:Now, you're being ridiculous. Again, sin compromised EVERYTHING but that will only make sense if you understand and identify with the consequences of sin and its impact on everything and everybody, warping and creating abnormalities.Anonymous wrote:How about flesh eating bacteria? Where is the free will there?
Again, it's hard to make sense without understanding the biblical references to the impact of sin. If you are not into the Word, then it is and will always make no sense to a non-believer. But even we believers don't understand everything so we walk by faith, not by sight. You have to decide how you will walk and what you believe.
Not being ridiculous, just always questioning things. I can't make sense of stories like the new mom in Maine that gave birth to her daughter and died shortly after from this flesh eating bacteria.
Anonymous
08/30/2013 10:39
Subject: "God Doesn't Give You More Than You Can Handle"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:God does not bring you misery, so he most certainly is not going to give you 'just enough' of it
I hate that saying.
I think it is most often a perversion (for lack of a better word ) of 2 Corinthians 12:9
9 " But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me."
Tell that to Job.
1) God allowed Satan to do that -- God did not do it
2) That was the old Testament -- when we were under the curse -- After Christ - we are under the Blood
that was why Christ was sent.
God says 'never to turn my face to you in wrath again
Jewish Person here. Could you identify what part of the "Old Testament" (specifically where it says) "we" were under a curse? Thank you. Because I have read the "Old Testament" many times and I have never seen any such thing said there.
Also, I have never read that God "allowed" Satan to do things to Job (or[u] Noah, or Moses, or anyone else) or that Satan played any role in their travails. That's utter nonsense, made up by you.
Job 1:6-12
New International Version (NIV)
6 One day the angels[a] came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan[b] also came with them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.”
8 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”
9 “Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. 10 “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11 But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”
12 The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.”
Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.
Anonymous
08/30/2013 10:35
Subject: Re:"God Doesn't Give You More Than You Can Handle"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Now, you're being ridiculous. Again, sin compromised EVERYTHING but that will only make sense if you understand and identify with the consequences of sin and its impact on everything and everybody, warping and creating abnormalities.Anonymous wrote:How about flesh eating bacteria? Where is the free will there?
Again, it's hard to make sense without understanding the biblical references to the impact of sin. If you are not into the Word, then it is and will always make no sense to a non-believer. But even we believers don't understand everything so we walk by faith, not by sight. You have to decide how you will walk and what you believe.
I'm sorry, but you cannot simply say, "It's a faith thing, you wouldn't understand." These things are debatable, and have been debated for centuries. I'll accept whatever you say is based on faith, so you can say that for you, logic is the work of the devil, and that's a fine reason for not engaging in debate. But you should at least admit to what you're basing on faith.
For example, you say that sin compromised everything, so I return to my question above: does that mean it's your view that without original sin, there would be no earthquakes, ebola, or cancer?
Also, a pp points out that Christ died for our sins and redeemed the world. Why do we still have evil then?[/quote
GOD: "Sorry, all this is your fault. Original sin and that. Sure I'm omnipotent, but you brought it on yourself."
So what you're saying is that God is the ultimate dysfunctional parent, then?
Anonymous
08/30/2013 10:33
Subject: "God Doesn't Give You More Than You Can Handle"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:God does not bring you misery, so he most certainly is not going to give you 'just enough' of it
I hate that saying.
I think it is most often a perversion (for lack of a better word ) of 2 Corinthians 12:9
9 " But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me."
Tell that to Job.
1) God allowed Satan to do that -- God did not do it
2) That was the old Testament -- when we were under the curse -- After Christ - we are under the Blood
that was why Christ was sent.
God says 'never to turn my face to you in wrath again
Jewish Person here. Could you identify what part of the "Old Testament" (specifically where it says) "we" were under a curse? Thank you. Because I have read the "Old Testament" many times and I have never seen any such thing said there.
Also, I have never read that God "allowed" Satan to do things to Job (or Noah, or Moses, or anyone else) or that Satan played any role in their travails. That's utter nonsense, made up by you.
Be fair, PP probably is most likely parroting something they were told, and didn't make it up.
Anonymous
08/30/2013 10:33
Subject: "God Doesn't Give You More Than You Can Handle"
<i>God allowed Satan to do that -- God did not do it</i>
Cripes, talk about hair-splitting. Sorry, when you're omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, the distinction between "allowing" something to happen versus "doing" something is nonexistent. To claim otherwise is like a six year old arguing they didn't break your vase, they just allowed gravity to do it.
Cripes, talk about hair-splitting. Sorry, when you're omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, the distinction between "allowing" something to happen versus "doing" something is nonexistent. To claim otherwise is like a six year old arguing they didn't break your vase, they just allowed gravity to do it.
Anonymous
08/30/2013 10:32
Subject: "God Doesn't Give You More Than You Can Handle"
Anonymous wrote:Without being disrespectful, have you ever read the bible with the description of the battle in the heavens with Lucifer and God? Lucifer was the most beautiful and awesome of angels until he decided he was bigger and badder than the One who created him.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:God does not bring you misery, so he most certainly is not going to give you 'just enough' of it
I hate that saying.
I think it is most often a perversion (for lack of a better word ) of 2 Corinthians 12:9
9 " But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me."
Tell that to Job.
1) God allowed Satan to do that -- God did not do it
2) That was the old Testament -- when we were under the curse -- After Christ - we are under the Blood
that was why Christ was sent.
God says 'never to turn my face to you in wrath again
And pray, where did Satan come from?
Isaiah 14:12-15
The Fall of Lucifer
12 “How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,[a] son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.
Of course. But God is all powerful and all knowing. So he knew, when he created Lucifer, what would happen. Just as he knew, when he created Eve, what would happen. If God did not want evil in the world, he should never have created a tree of knowledge of good and evil in the first place.
Anonymous
08/30/2013 10:26
Subject: Re:"God Doesn't Give You More Than You Can Handle"
Anonymous wrote:Now, you're being ridiculous. Again, sin compromised EVERYTHING but that will only make sense if you understand and identify with the consequences of sin and its impact on everything and everybody, warping and creating abnormalities.Anonymous wrote:How about flesh eating bacteria? Where is the free will there?
Again, it's hard to make sense without understanding the biblical references to the impact of sin. If you are not into the Word, then it is and will always make no sense to a non-believer. But even we believers don't understand everything so we walk by faith, not by sight. You have to decide how you will walk and what you believe.
I'm sorry, but you cannot simply say, "It's a faith thing, you wouldn't understand." These things are debatable, and have been debated for centuries. I'll accept whatever you say is based on faith, so you can say that for you, logic is the work of the devil, and that's a fine reason for not engaging in debate. But you should at least admit to what you're basing on faith.
For example, you say that sin compromised everything, so I return to my question above: does that mean it's your view that without original sin, there would be no earthquakes, ebola, or cancer?
Also, a pp points out that Christ died for our sins and redeemed the world. Why do we still have evil then?
Anonymous
08/30/2013 10:23
Subject: "God Doesn't Give You More Than You Can Handle"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:God does not bring you misery, so he most certainly is not going to give you 'just enough' of it
I hate that saying.
I think it is most often a perversion (for lack of a better word ) of 2 Corinthians 12:9
9 " But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me."
Tell that to Job.
1) God allowed Satan to do that -- God did not do it
2) That was the old Testament -- when we were under the curse -- After Christ - we are under the Blood
that was why Christ was sent.
God says 'never to turn my face to you in wrath again
Jewish Person here. Could you identify what part of the "Old Testament" (specifically where it says) "we" were under a curse? Thank you. Because I have read the "Old Testament" many times and I have never seen any such thing said there.
Also, I have never read that God "allowed" Satan to do things to Job (or Noah, or Moses, or anyone else) or that Satan played any role in their travails. That's utter nonsense, made up by you.
Anonymous
08/30/2013 10:20
Subject: "God Doesn't Give You More Than You Can Handle"
Without being disrespectful, have you ever read the bible with the description of the battle in the heavens with Lucifer and God? Lucifer was the most beautiful and awesome of angels until he decided he was bigger and badder than the One who created him.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:God does not bring you misery, so he most certainly is not going to give you 'just enough' of it
I hate that saying.
I think it is most often a perversion (for lack of a better word ) of 2 Corinthians 12:9
9 " But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me."
Tell that to Job.
1) God allowed Satan to do that -- God did not do it
2) That was the old Testament -- when we were under the curse -- After Christ - we are under the Blood
that was why Christ was sent.
God says 'never to turn my face to you in wrath again
And pray, where did Satan come from?
Isaiah 14:12-15
The Fall of Lucifer
12 “How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,[a] son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.
Anonymous
08/30/2013 10:15
Subject: "God Doesn't Give You More Than You Can Handle"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:God does not bring you misery, so he most certainly is not going to give you 'just enough' of it
I hate that saying.
I think it is most often a perversion (for lack of a better word ) of 2 Corinthians 12:9
9 " But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me."
Tell that to Job.
1) God allowed Satan to do that -- God did not do it
2) That was the old Testament -- when we were under the curse -- After Christ - we are under the Blood
that was why Christ was sent.
God says 'never to turn my face to you in wrath again
And pray, where did Satan come from?
Anonymous
08/30/2013 10:15
Subject: Re:"God Doesn't Give You More Than You Can Handle"
PP again. I think this is a great thread whether everyone agrees or not. God would expect nothing less.Anonymous wrote:Now, you're being ridiculous. Again, sin compromised EVERYTHING but that will only make sense if you understand and identify with the consequences of sin and its impact on everything and everybody, warping and creating abnormalities.Anonymous wrote:How about flesh eating bacteria? Where is the free will there?
Again, it's hard to make sense without understanding the biblical references to the impact of sin. If you are not into the Word, then it is and will always make no sense to a non-believer. But even we believers don't understand everything so we walk by faith, not by sight. You have to decide how you will walk and what you believe.
Anonymous
08/30/2013 10:14
Subject: Re:"God Doesn't Give You More Than You Can Handle"
Now, you're being ridiculous. Again, sin compromised EVERYTHING but that will only make sense if you understand and identify with the consequences of sin and its impact on everything and everybody, warping and creating abnormalities.Anonymous wrote:How about flesh eating bacteria? Where is the free will there?
Again, it's hard to make sense without understanding the biblical references to the impact of sin. If you are not into the Word, then it is and will always make no sense to a non-believer. But even we believers don't understand everything so we walk by faith, not by sight. You have to decide how you will walk and what you believe.
takoma
08/30/2013 10:12
Subject: Re:"God Doesn't Give You More Than You Can Handle"
Anonymous wrote:I have corrected my anonymous typos on DCUM many times. What is your point?
How do you do that? When I have posted anonymously (mostly because I sometimes forget to sign in), and notice an error after submitting, I haven't seen an edit button. Has that changed?
Anonymous
08/30/2013 09:43
Subject: Re:"God Doesn't Give You More Than You Can Handle"
How about flesh eating bacteria? Where is the free will there?