Anonymous
Post 08/19/2013 22:09     Subject: NPR makes sure no white kids set foot in Dunbar
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What's being missed here is that the NPR story also spoke of how, decades ago, African Americans valued educational achievement and sought out opportunities like Dunbar. Nowadays the culture has changed to where too many either just take education for granted or don't value it at all.



Don't be presumptious, stereotypical, and ignorant by painting a broad brush. Do you seriously think that all AA's don't value education? You couldn't be further from the truth. There are many whites who don't value education. Does that mean that ALL whites don't value education? NO! Just like whites, African Americans are not a monolithic group. There is a variety of lifestyles, educational levels, socio-economic statuses, religions, etc. that make up the African American community. You clearly don't know too many AA's because if you did, then you will know that many AA families place a high priority on education.

I swear I've encountered many racists in DC than I have in the south. It seems like every week I have to diffuse or extinguish the racist fire that comes out of people's mouths. However, everyone here is suppose to be tolerant and open-minded.


DC's new gentrifiers are NOT your northern city dwellers who are more accustomed to living alongside people of different, cultures, classes and colors, and who may not always like "others" but have learned to accept the differences. Many of DC's gentrifiers are Midwesterners who grew up around people who looked just like them and who like the "idea" of city life, but prefer a more sanitized/homogenous version of it. "Others" make them uncomfortable and in their minds, if the "others" would just leave, the city would be a more perfect place. I'm generalizing here of course, but I would bet that's the underlying sentiment for many.


Ah. Reverse racism in action. So now you've just painted everyone who isn't AA as racist midwesterners who apparently grew up under a rock in some cornfield and who are now apparently lost in some lala-land version of DC and who can't stand "others" and want to get rid of them.

Do you have any idea how clueless and offensive that sounds? Just stop already with this race card nonsense.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2013 22:00     Subject: NPR makes sure no white kids set foot in Dunbar
19:21 said: I hope that people do consider me colorblind. I hope in the future we all are.


Said facetiously
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2013 21:38     Subject: Re:NPR makes sure no white kids set foot in Dunbar
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Was OP unaware that Dunbar High Schools (and there's one in most US cities) are named after black poet Paul Laurence Dunbar, and that most were either segregated black schools, or de facto predominantly black schools?


Right. It used to be named Preparatory High School for Colored Youth.


So, where should the white kids living in the neighborhood go?


Are you kidding? Schools are no longer force to segregate so white children can attend.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2013 21:34     Subject: NPR makes sure no white kids set foot in Dunbar
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What's being missed here is that the NPR story also spoke of how, decades ago, African Americans valued educational achievement and sought out opportunities like Dunbar. Nowadays the culture has changed to where too many either just take education for granted or don't value it at all.



Don't be presumptious, stereotypical, and ignorant by painting a broad brush. Do you seriously think that all AA's don't value education? You couldn't be further from the truth. There are many whites who don't value education. Does that mean that ALL whites don't value education? NO! Just like whites, African Americans are not a monolithic group. There is a variety of lifestyles, educational levels, socio-economic statuses, religions, etc. that make up the African American community. You clearly don't know too many AA's because if you did, then you will know that many AA families place a high priority on education.

I swear I've encountered many racists in DC than I have in the south. It seems like every week I have to diffuse or extinguish the racist fire that comes out of people's mouths. However, everyone here is suppose to be tolerant and open-minded.


DC's new gentrifiers are NOT your northern city dwellers who are more accustomed to living alongside people of different, cultures, classes and colors, and who may not always like "others" but have learned to accept the differences. Many of DC's gentrifiers are Midwesterners who grew up around people who looked just like them and who like the "idea" of city life, but prefer a more sanitized/homogenous version of it. "Others" make them uncomfortable and in their minds, if the "others" would just leave, the city would be a more perfect place. I'm generalizing here of course, but I would bet that's the underlying sentiment for many.


Makes sense
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2013 21:17     Subject: NPR makes sure no white kids set foot in Dunbar
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What's being missed here is that the NPR story also spoke of how, decades ago, African Americans valued educational achievement and sought out opportunities like Dunbar. Nowadays the culture has changed to where too many either just take education for granted or don't value it at all.



Don't be presumptious, stereotypical, and ignorant by painting a broad brush. Do you seriously think that all AA's don't value education? You couldn't be further from the truth. There are many whites who don't value education. Does that mean that ALL whites don't value education? NO! Just like whites, African Americans are not a monolithic group. There is a variety of lifestyles, educational levels, socio-economic statuses, religions, etc. that make up the African American community. You clearly don't know too many AA's because if you did, then you will know that many AA families place a high priority on education.

I swear I've encountered many racists in DC than I have in the south. It seems like every week I have to diffuse or extinguish the racist fire that comes out of people's mouths. However, everyone here is suppose to be tolerant and open-minded.


DC's new gentrifiers are NOT your northern city dwellers who are more accustomed to living alongside people of different, cultures, classes and colors, and who may not always like "others" but have learned to accept the differences. Many of DC's gentrifiers are Midwesterners who grew up around people who looked just like them and who like the "idea" of city life, but prefer a more sanitized/homogenous version of it. "Others" make them uncomfortable and in their minds, if the "others" would just leave, the city would be a more perfect place. I'm generalizing here of course, but I would bet that's the underlying sentiment for many.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2013 21:07     Subject: NPR makes sure no white kids set foot in Dunbar
As long as people are so quick to deny, deflect, dodge, play the race card and blame others, nothing will ever change.

Take your pick - if that's your game, then I NEVER want to hear you complain about multi-generational poverty because it's clear you just want to blame and don't actually want to address the issue.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2013 20:42     Subject: NPR makes sure no white kids set foot in Dunbar
Anonymous wrote:What's being missed here is that the NPR story also spoke of how, decades ago, African Americans valued educational achievement and sought out opportunities like Dunbar. Nowadays the culture has changed to where too many either just take education for granted or don't value it at all.



Don't be presumptious, stereotypical, and ignorant by painting a broad brush. Do you seriously think that all AA's don't value education? You couldn't be further from the truth. There are many whites who don't value education. Does that mean that ALL whites don't value education? NO! Just like whites, African Americans are not a monolithic group. There is a variety of lifestyles, educational levels, socio-economic statuses, religions, etc. that make up the African American community. You clearly don't know too many AA's because if you did, then you will know that many AA families place a high priority on education.

I swear I've encountered many racists in DC than I have in the south. It seems like every week I have to diffuse or extinguish the racist fire that comes out of people's mouths. However, everyone here is suppose to be tolerant and open-minded.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2013 19:21     Subject: NPR makes sure no white kids set foot in Dunbar
Anonymous wrote:09:36 said No. I also didn't read an article that said "Harvard is white, and has been white" and I dont' see people telling people of color that they should go to Howard vs. Harvard.


Of course, you wouldn't see that because you're colorblind. Your myopic view of history purposely ignores the well-established facts of Harvard's founding.

During the colonial years, Harvard students were deeply entangled with slave-owning. They recited their lessons to slave-owning professors like Judah Monis and obeyed the rules set out by slave-owning presidents like Increase Mather and Benjamin Wadsworth. They ate meals and slept in beds prepared by four generations of the Bordman family, the college stewards, whose many slaves likely did some or all of the actual cooking and cleaning. On Sundays they attended church at the First Church of Cambridge, where they listened to sermons by the slave-owning minister, William Brattle, himself a Harvard graduate of the class of 1680. When they graduated, many Harvard students became slave owners themselves.

Harvard, Brown, and Yale were deeply entrenched in the slave trade and prospered because of their association with the trade. I think most would agree that Harvard was indeed a WHITE school and fought vigorously to remain so.




I hope that people do consider me colorblind. I hope in the future we all are.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2013 18:58     Subject: NPR makes sure no white kids set foot in Dunbar
09:36 said No. I also didn't read an article that said "Harvard is white, and has been white" and I dont' see people telling people of color that they should go to Howard vs. Harvard.


Of course, you wouldn't see that because you're colorblind. Your myopic view of history purposely ignores the well-established facts of Harvard's founding.

During the colonial years, Harvard students were deeply entangled with slave-owning. They recited their lessons to slave-owning professors like Judah Monis and obeyed the rules set out by slave-owning presidents like Increase Mather and Benjamin Wadsworth. They ate meals and slept in beds prepared by four generations of the Bordman family, the college stewards, whose many slaves likely did some or all of the actual cooking and cleaning. On Sundays they attended church at the First Church of Cambridge, where they listened to sermons by the slave-owning minister, William Brattle, himself a Harvard graduate of the class of 1680. When they graduated, many Harvard students became slave owners themselves.

Harvard, Brown, and Yale were deeply entrenched in the slave trade and prospered because of their association with the trade. I think most would agree that Harvard was indeed a WHITE school and fought vigorously to remain so.


Anonymous
Post 08/19/2013 17:36     Subject: NPR makes sure no white kids set foot in Dunbar
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pp again - should mention that on the Diane Rehm show this morning an author who compared US school systems to the Finnish school system reported that Finnish kids care a whole lot more about school than American kids. Wasn't any mention of race in that.


Some people would consider Finnish a race.
Sure but most people wouldn't.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2013 17:33     Subject: NPR makes sure no white kids set foot in Dunbar
Anonymous wrote:Pp again - should mention that on the Diane Rehm show this morning an author who compared US school systems to the Finnish school system reported that Finnish kids care a whole lot more about school than American kids. Wasn't any mention of race in that.


Some people would consider Finnish a race.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2013 14:17     Subject: NPR makes sure no white kids set foot in Dunbar
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What's being missed here is that the NPR story also spoke of how, decades ago, African Americans valued educational achievement and sought out opportunities like Dunbar. Nowadays the culture has changed to where too many either just take education for granted or don't value it at all.
Yeah, white kids are the same way.
Pp again - should mention that on the Diane Rehm show this morning an author who compared US school systems to the Finnish school system reported that Finnish kids care a whole lot more about school than American kids. Wasn't any mention of race in that.

Also she added that kids in overwhelmingly white states like New Hampshire, Vermont, and Maine can't compete on the same level as kids in other advanced nations - so her point was that homogeneity of the school system wasn't really the issue. US white kids can't cut it either.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2013 14:09     Subject: NPR makes sure no white kids set foot in Dunbar
Anonymous wrote:What's being missed here is that the NPR story also spoke of how, decades ago, African Americans valued educational achievement and sought out opportunities like Dunbar. Nowadays the culture has changed to where too many either just take education for granted or don't value it at all.
Yeah, white kids are the same way.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2013 12:52     Subject: NPR makes sure no white kids set foot in Dunbar
Anonymous wrote:Evidently in confusing posters, the previous poster made a blanket statement saying "go f yourself" - I guess we are all supposed to go and f ourselves.

Likewise, so did the person claiming anyone here said anything about "all" black people. That's evidently a blanket statement telling us we are all racists.

Only problem is, nobody here said ALL, they said "segments" and "swaths" and also said there are segments in white culture too. Certainly, there are African Americans who do value education.

So, the charge of racism is wrong. Try again, this time without the race card.


Sorry dude, but when you post the following:
What's being missed here is that the NPR story also spoke of how, decades ago, African Americans valued educational achievement and sought out opportunities like Dunbar. Nowadays the culture has changed to where too many either just take education for granted or don't value it at all.

It is hard not to jump to the conclusion that the poster is making a blanket statement. When you start a sentence using nostalgia, and then conclude that it no longer exists, it's hard to read between the lines. Example, "remember when we used to use pagers and had numerical codes for words" or "remember back when the wife stayed home and the dad worked 9-5 and would come home to dinner on the table"...sure people might still be holding on to an older pager or there are still some single working households that have dinner at 5pm every day but that's not the norm. Especially because PP's statement is just not true. There are more and more AA that are getting degrees and advanced degrees than "decades ago". So not only did PP just state a false statement, but she made a generalization that is not just or fair. Just because you live in a majority black city where you happen to see more black crime and drop outs, doesn't make it ok to make a statement like that.

Race card be damned, it was inaccurate.
Anonymous
Post 08/19/2013 12:19     Subject: NPR makes sure no white kids set foot in Dunbar
Evidently in confusing posters, the previous poster made a blanket statement saying "go f yourself" - I guess we are all supposed to go and f ourselves.

Likewise, so did the person claiming anyone here said anything about "all" black people. That's evidently a blanket statement telling us we are all racists.

Only problem is, nobody here said ALL, they said "segments" and "swaths" and also said there are segments in white culture too. Certainly, there are African Americans who do value education.

So, the charge of racism is wrong. Try again, this time without the race card.