Anonymous
08/13/2013 00:10
Subject: Re:public vs. charter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:which charters fare better then the top jklm publics? some may be better "fits" smaller rooms etc but which ones would actually perform better?
Take away JKLM which has zero FARM and charters kill DCPS. Also charters for 6th grade and up are better than DCPS no matter location.
Maybe I missed something. Which elementary charters have better scores than Oyster which is 29% FARMs and dual immersion?
Oyster is included in JKLM as are both "M" schools. Calm down.
I disagree with your assertion that Oyster should be lumped with that group of schools. While it is WOTP (grades PK-3rd) and boasts good tests scores, Oyster is way more racially, economically, culturally and linguistically diverse than JKLM. IMO, being a part of that relatively homogenous group of schools is not something that Oyster should aspire to. While there is always room for improvement, Oyster really is in a class of its own.
Eh...I just saw Oyster's breakdown by race and income. Not impressed at all. It's fair to say the 50 "advanced" white kids are artificially inflating the school's overall numbers. Was very disappointed to see the ELL, FARM and Black students are struggling.
Anonymous
08/12/2013 21:50
Subject: Re:public vs. charter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:which charters fare better then the top jklm [DCPS] publics? some may be better "fits" smaller rooms etc but which ones would actually perform better?
None*
You cut right to the heart of the matter here. Let's say it again: none.
* this answer is for elementary schools only. I do think in a few years, BASIS will surpass Deal in quantifiable results --- depending on which faction wrests control of BASIS (ie, the common sense founder types, OR, the litigating dreamers who think it makes sense for kids with four LDs and an IQ of 89 to apply to BASIS in the first place and demand a watered-down experience once they're in.
deal can't opt out of educating children w/ disabilities. Why should basis opt out? I think it speaks to what a great school deal is that they educate all kinds of children while basis seems to be just a drill and kill school.
Most students at Deal, and eventually all of them, will come from one of the most affluent neighborhoods in the country. Take a look at BASIS's DC CAS results broken down by group and you'll see it is a title one school that takes kids from every walk of life. It ain't so easy to pigeon hole like you want to.
Anonymous
08/12/2013 20:51
Subject: Re:public vs. charter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:which charters fare better then the top jklm [DCPS] publics? some may be better "fits" smaller rooms etc but which ones would actually perform better?
None*
You cut right to the heart of the matter here. Let's say it again: none.
* this answer is for elementary schools only. I do think in a few years, BASIS will surpass Deal in quantifiable results --- depending on which faction wrests control of BASIS (ie, the common sense founder types, OR, the litigating dreamers who think it makes sense for kids with four LDs and an IQ of 89 to apply to BASIS in the first place and demand a watered-down experience once they're in.
deal can't opt out of educating children w/ disabilities. Why should basis opt out? I think it speaks to what a great school deal is that they educate all kinds of children while basis seems to be just a drill and kill school.
Anonymous
08/12/2013 18:55
Subject: public vs. charter
DCPS or charter or private. Test scores are irrelevant. Choose the best school for YOUR child. Period.
Anonymous
08/12/2013 16:49
Subject: public vs. charter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:BASIS isn't any different than any other charter. They don't turn anyone away, they offer opportunities. It's up to you and your kid as to whether you are up to the opportunity.
Same with the others, like Yu Ying - they offer an opportunity for kids to have Chinese immersion - Options offers troubled kids a second chance, Carlos Rosario offers adult hispanic immigrants an opportunity at getting an education, St. Colettas offers an opportunity tailored for disabled kids, Roots offers an opportunity to get an afrocentric education, MV offers an opportunity to get an education around spanish immersion and sustainability, and so on.
And, it's not just charters. DCPS does the same as well - with Ellington, McKinley, Phelps, Banneker and so on - they all offer a tailored curriculum and targeted set of opportunities - which won't meet the needs of every child but which do fill the gaps which the system would otherwise not meet.
The PP from 21:24 who expressed offense may just be throwing out a knee-jerk reaction to the 89 IQ comment made by another poster, but is just the same expressing a misguided and shortsighted view of exclusion and of the glass as half empty. But, the glass is in fact more inclusive and more full with specialized charters than without. Without specialized options like BASIS and the others, the glass would be a lot emptier and far fewer kids would have their needs met.
Why is it ok for some DC high schools to have an application process to get in, but charters are required to take anyone who wins a spot in the lottery?
+1
DCPS schools: limited space. Charters: the way the statute is written.
Anonymous
08/12/2013 16:48
Subject: Re:public vs. charter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:which charters fare better then the top jklm [DCPS] publics? some may be better "fits" smaller rooms etc but which ones would actually perform better?
None*
You cut right to the heart of the matter here. Let's say it again: none.
* this answer is for elementary schools only. I do think in a few years, BASIS will surpass Deal in quantifiable results --- depending on which faction wrests control of BASIS (ie, the common sense founder types, OR, the litigating dreamers who think it makes sense for kids with four LDs and an IQ of 89 to apply to BASIS in the first place and demand a watered-down experience once they're in.
Every charter gets sued and gets a shakeup in the first few years. Basis will survive -- and thrive -- as will MV, Yu Ying, even Sela, they just have to get through the tedious nonsense and wait for DCUM trolls to fixate on the next "problem" school.
Anonymous
08/12/2013 16:46
Subject: public vs. charter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Who! 18 kids in a prek? And more then 1 teacher? Where is this magical school?
Mundo Verde too.
MV isn't the only school who does this.
Same here, but DC didn't get into PreK there for that reason. He's starting at K in late Aug.
Anonymous
08/12/2013 16:36
Subject: public vs. charter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:BASIS isn't any different than any other charter. They don't turn anyone away, they offer opportunities. It's up to you and your kid as to whether you are up to the opportunity.
Same with the others, like Yu Ying - they offer an opportunity for kids to have Chinese immersion - Options offers troubled kids a second chance, Carlos Rosario offers adult hispanic immigrants an opportunity at getting an education, St. Colettas offers an opportunity tailored for disabled kids, Roots offers an opportunity to get an afrocentric education, MV offers an opportunity to get an education around spanish immersion and sustainability, and so on.
And, it's not just charters. DCPS does the same as well - with Ellington, McKinley, Phelps, Banneker and so on - they all offer a tailored curriculum and targeted set of opportunities - which won't meet the needs of every child but which do fill the gaps which the system would otherwise not meet.
The PP from 21:24 who expressed offense may just be throwing out a knee-jerk reaction to the 89 IQ comment made by another poster, but is just the same expressing a misguided and shortsighted view of exclusion and of the glass as half empty. But, the glass is in fact more inclusive and more full with specialized charters than without. Without specialized options like BASIS and the others, the glass would be a lot emptier and far fewer kids would have their needs met.
Why is it ok for some DC high schools to have an application process to get in, but charters are required to take anyone who wins a spot in the lottery?
+1
Anonymous
08/12/2013 16:18
Subject: public vs. charter
Anonymous wrote:BASIS isn't any different than any other charter. They don't turn anyone away, they offer opportunities. It's up to you and your kid as to whether you are up to the opportunity.
Same with the others, like Yu Ying - they offer an opportunity for kids to have Chinese immersion - Options offers troubled kids a second chance, Carlos Rosario offers adult hispanic immigrants an opportunity at getting an education, St. Colettas offers an opportunity tailored for disabled kids, Roots offers an opportunity to get an afrocentric education, MV offers an opportunity to get an education around spanish immersion and sustainability, and so on.
And, it's not just charters. DCPS does the same as well - with Ellington, McKinley, Phelps, Banneker and so on - they all offer a tailored curriculum and targeted set of opportunities - which won't meet the needs of every child but which do fill the gaps which the system would otherwise not meet.
The PP from 21:24 who expressed offense may just be throwing out a knee-jerk reaction to the 89 IQ comment made by another poster, but is just the same expressing a misguided and shortsighted view of exclusion and of the glass as half empty. But, the glass is in fact more inclusive and more full with specialized charters than without. Without specialized options like BASIS and the others, the glass would be a lot emptier and far fewer kids would have their needs met.
+1
Anonymous
08/12/2013 15:24
Subject: Re:public vs. charter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:which charters fare better then the top jklm publics? some may be better "fits" smaller rooms etc but which ones would actually perform better?
Take away JKLM which has zero FARM and charters kill DCPS. Also charters for 6th grade and up are better than DCPS no matter location.
Maybe I missed something. Which elementary charters have better scores than Oyster which is 29% FARMs and dual immersion?
Oyster is included in JKLM as are both "M" schools. Calm down.
I disagree with your assertion that Oyster should be lumped with that group of schools. While it is WOTP (grades PK-3rd) and boasts good tests scores, Oyster is way more racially, economically, culturally and linguistically diverse than JKLM. IMO, being a part of that relatively homogenous group of schools is not something that Oyster should aspire to. While there is always room for improvement, Oyster really is in a class of its own.
Anonymous
08/12/2013 14:13
Subject: Re:public vs. charter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:which charters fare better then the top jklm publics? some may be better "fits" smaller rooms etc but which ones would actually perform better?
Take away JKLM which has zero FARM and charters kill DCPS. Also charters for 6th grade and up are better than DCPS no matter location.
Maybe I missed something. Which elementary charters have better scores than Oyster which is 29% FARMs and dual immersion?
Oyster is included in JKLM as are both "M" schools. Calm down.
Anonymous
08/12/2013 14:13
Subject: public vs. charter
Anonymous wrote:blah blah blah.
What are you going to do when your kid is college-aged and the mandatory accommodations taper off and evaporate? Demand that the SAT become a take-home test and MIT craft an all-new track to be inclusive?
Not every education is appropriate for every student. My children, for example, will not be applying to either Roots or St. Coletta. Maybe certain other kids ought to self-select away from a program that demands 25 AP courses. Just a thought.
You really don't understand learning disabilities, do you? Take my kid -- he's dyslexic. He's a bright kid whose brain is probably wired a whole lot differently than yours. When he goes to college, like the other kid whose mom wrote in, he'll grab a seat in the front of the classroom. He also will likely go to every single one of his professor's office hours to talk through material. He'll listen to his textbooks and outside reading in audio format. He'll probably ask his peers to use their class notes to supplement his own. He'll do everything he can to get out of the foreign language requirement or will choose a school that doesn't have one. And I highly doubt he'll choose to be an English major.
Bottom line, he'll probably have to continue to work a lot harder than your non-LD kids have to, even with all the accomodations I've listed above. I could continue to be bummed out by that and feel sorry for him (I sure did when we figured out something was not quite right), but I've given him the tools he needs to be successful and taught him to take pride in working hard. I think he's going to be just fine.
Anonymous
08/12/2013 13:33
Subject: Re:public vs. charter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:which charters fare better then the top jklm publics? some may be better "fits" smaller rooms etc but which ones would actually perform better?
Take away JKLM which has zero FARM and charters kill DCPS. Also charters for 6th grade and up are better than DCPS no matter location.
Maybe I missed something. Which elementary charters have better scores than Oyster which is 29% FARMs and dual immersion?
Anonymous
08/11/2013 23:44
Subject: public vs. charter
BASIS isn't any different than any other charter. They don't turn anyone away, they offer opportunities. It's up to you and your kid as to whether you are up to the opportunity.
Same with the others, like Yu Ying - they offer an opportunity for kids to have Chinese immersion - Options offers troubled kids a second chance, Carlos Rosario offers adult hispanic immigrants an opportunity at getting an education, St. Colettas offers an opportunity tailored for disabled kids, Roots offers an opportunity to get an afrocentric education, MV offers an opportunity to get an education around spanish immersion and sustainability, and so on.
And, it's not just charters. DCPS does the same as well - with Ellington, McKinley, Phelps, Banneker and so on - they all offer a tailored curriculum and targeted set of opportunities - which won't meet the needs of every child but which do fill the gaps which the system would otherwise not meet.
The PP from 21:24 who expressed offense may just be throwing out a knee-jerk reaction to the 89 IQ comment made by another poster, but is just the same expressing a misguided and shortsighted view of exclusion and of the glass as half empty. But, the glass is in fact more inclusive and more full with specialized charters than without. Without specialized options like BASIS and the others, the glass would be a lot emptier and far fewer kids would have their needs met.
Same with the others, like Yu Ying - they offer an opportunity for kids to have Chinese immersion - Options offers troubled kids a second chance, Carlos Rosario offers adult hispanic immigrants an opportunity at getting an education, St. Colettas offers an opportunity tailored for disabled kids, Roots offers an opportunity to get an afrocentric education, MV offers an opportunity to get an education around spanish immersion and sustainability, and so on.
And, it's not just charters. DCPS does the same as well - with Ellington, McKinley, Phelps, Banneker and so on - they all offer a tailored curriculum and targeted set of opportunities - which won't meet the needs of every child but which do fill the gaps which the system would otherwise not meet.
The PP from 21:24 who expressed offense may just be throwing out a knee-jerk reaction to the 89 IQ comment made by another poster, but is just the same expressing a misguided and shortsighted view of exclusion and of the glass as half empty. But, the glass is in fact more inclusive and more full with specialized charters than without. Without specialized options like BASIS and the others, the glass would be a lot emptier and far fewer kids would have their needs met.
Anonymous
08/11/2013 23:00
Subject: public vs. charter
Anonymous wrote:blah blah blah.
What are you going to do when your kid is college-aged and the mandatory accommodations taper off and evaporate? Demand that the SAT become a take-home test and MIT craft an all-new track to be inclusive?
Not every education is appropriate for every student. My children, for example, will not be applying to either Roots or St. Coletta. Maybe certain other kids ought to self-select away from a program that demands 25 AP courses. Just a thought.
Not pp. Hmmm... Guess I would tell my kid to get to class a little early to grab a seat in the front. That's about all the accommodation my SN kid needs: And I've been told colleges are great about complying with the Americans with Disabilities Act.
I'm doubtful that there are many students with significant intellectual disabilities at any of the language immersion charters. We are at one of them and it's mostly things like ADHD, ASD, hearing loss, apraxia, etc.
Parents want their kids to succeed in school. Doubtful any parent will knowingly send their child to a school that is a terrible "fit" simply b/c they got in through the lottery.