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Anonymous wrote:I read about a new, water-permeable nail polish that is taking the Muslim world by storm. But I do think God is concerned about other things than whether a woman is wearing nail polish.

Well, what you think is irrelevant unless God Himself told you that, which I doubt

That was unecessary, dear poster. I'm not Muslim like you, so I don't need to accept the ritual pillars in the Qu'ran (Haj, ritual washing, fasting, others) as God's commandments to me.

I'm religious but I agree that religious people need to focus more on how we treat others (the poor, trying not to hate people who are different from us, and that's just a start) and less on checking off boxes about what we eat, how we wash, and other rituals. I can see how people believe these ritual aspects bring God into their daily lives, and that's important. But there's a risk of thinking that checking these ritual boxes makes you a "better" person, especially relative to other people you start to look down on because they are eating the wrong thing or something, and I think the nail polish issue is a case in point.

In any case, I have read the Qu'ran and there's nothing in there about nail polish, obviously, so I'm not clear why the permeable nail polish can't be worn all day.

I am the poster you are quoting and I am sorry if I offended you, that was not my intention. However, just like you said you are not muslim so don't accept the rituals of islam, at the same time, you can't speak for GOD. He has his own voice, and unless He specifically revealed something to you that is unknown to us, what you are saying remains just that, your opinion. For us Muslims, the Quran is the WORD of God, directly speaking to us, and we believe that what was revealed to the prophet (saw) is what God said to him directly, so if he says " Before praying, you have to purify yourself". well to us that's God's wanting us to purify ourselves before praying. By you saying "God doesn't care about x, y z," while clearly , he mentioned it in the book that we (muslims) believe is from Him is contradictory, because had he not cared, he would not have mentioned it, given that He just doesn't mention things for sports. Everything in Islam has a purpose and a meaning and is relevant to us. Now, I agree with you that yes we should focus on how we treat each other, but that is not our ONLY focus in Islam, our main focus is our relationship with the Creator and of course when your heart is pure then you start treating people better. Oh, and you can wear nail polish it is not forbidden, but when ure doing wudu u have to take if off if its not permeable. If it is permeable, then yes of course you can wear it all day as your wudu is still valid with it on. One more thing, you said oyu've read the entire Quran but have not seen nail polish there, muslims go by the Quran and the Sunnah ( what the prophet saw taught us). So, it is not just the Quran, and it the Quran an the teachings in the form of Hadiths (narrations) from teh Prophet saw, for that reason, you won't find a description of how muslims are supposed to pray in the Quran, but Muslims pray the same way as it was taught in the Hadiths, same thing about wudu, it is in the Hadiths.
i apologized if i offended you in my speech or offended anyone else, please forgive me, it is not my intention.

There are several articulate, humble, informative, and less preachy Muslims on DCUM. I wish they would pop in this forum once in a while. PP comes off as hostile.

- (apparently DCUM-religion's resident ex-Muslim)

Where is Takoma when we need a preachy, holier-than-thou atheist to criticize another poster's behavior? Oh right, she only criticizes Christian posters. Not that it bothers me, except that she could have made herself useful here.

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Doing what things make your heart pure? Uhmm yes, to me that is your opinion, and yeh Muslim beliefs can be "muslim's opinion" to you, really doesn't keep me up at night i am not waltzing around anything, as i have nothing to prove to you. i am firm in what i believe and have zero doubts, so i don't need to waltz around anything, what i believe is enough for me. To you your religion or lack of and to me mine, that is your right!

Well this seems very reasonable, like we could be friends. Then I remember the various things you've said about other faiths over the past few weeks, and the misty good will dissolves. I guess we all need to work on our purity of heart, whether we get there by ablutions, by faith or by good works.

What other things did i say? LOL, you might be confusing me with someone else ( I don't think there is only one Muslim poster on this board) and I do not criticize other faiths, I respect all faiths and respect people's rights to follow whatever faith they see fit or lack thereof. I agree, we all need to work on purity of heart, starting by myself, i am not perfect, i am a very deficient human being, make mistakes most of the time, but when I'm wrong and you correct me, I stand corrected. Again, my intention is not to come out harsh or offend, but sometimes when words are written they might come out a different way to the person reading them than what was intended. I really do not want to offend...

Your writing idiosyncrasies are pretty easily identifiable.

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Doing what things make your heart pure? Uhmm yes, to me that is your opinion, and yeh Muslim beliefs can be "muslim's opinion" to you, really doesn't keep me up at night i am not waltzing around anything, as i have nothing to prove to you. i am firm in what i believe and have zero doubts, so i don't need to waltz around anything, what i believe is enough for me. To you your religion or lack of and to me mine, that is your right!

Well this seems very reasonable, like we could be friends. Then I remember the various things you've said about other faiths over the past few weeks, and the misty good will dissolves. I guess we all need to work on our purity of heart, whether we get there by ablutions, by faith or by good works.

What other things did i say? LOL, you might be confusing me with someone else ( I don't think there is only one Muslim poster on this board) and I do not criticize other faiths, I respect all faiths and respect people's rights to follow whatever faith they see fit or lack thereof. I agree, we all need to work on purity of heart, starting by myself, i am not perfect, i am a very deficient human being, make mistakes most of the time, but when I'm wrong and you correct me, I stand corrected. Again, my intention is not to come out harsh or offend, but sometimes when words are written they might come out a different way to the person reading them than what was intended. I really do not want to offend...

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Doing what things make your heart pure? Uhmm yes, to me that is your opinion, and yeh Muslim beliefs can be "muslim's opinion" to you, really doesn't keep me up at night i am not waltzing around anything, as i have nothing to prove to you. i am firm in what i believe and have zero doubts, so i don't need to waltz around anything, what i believe is enough for me. To you your religion or lack of and to me mine, that is your right!

Well this seems very reasonable, like we could be friends. Then I remember the various things you've said about other faiths over the past few weeks, and the misty good will dissolves. I guess we all need to work on our purity of heart, whether we get there by ablutions, by faith or by good works.

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Anonymous wrote:I read about a new, water-permeable nail polish that is taking the Muslim world by storm. But I do think God is concerned about other things than whether a woman is wearing nail polish.

Well, what you think is irrelevant unless God Himself told you that, which I doubt

That was unecessary, dear poster. I'm not Muslim like you, so I don't need to accept the ritual pillars in the Qu'ran (Haj, ritual washing, fasting, others) as God's commandments to me.

I'm religious but I agree that religious people need to focus more on how we treat others (the poor, trying not to hate people who are different from us, and that's just a start) and less on checking off boxes about what we eat, how we wash, and other rituals. I can see how people believe these ritual aspects bring God into their daily lives, and that's important. But there's a risk of thinking that checking these ritual boxes makes you a "better" person, especially relative to other people you start to look down on because they are eating the wrong thing or something, and I think the nail polish issue is a case in point.

In any case, I have read the Qu'ran and there's nothing in there about nail polish, obviously, so I'm not clear why the permeable nail polish can't be worn all day.

I am the poster you are quoting and I am sorry if I offended you, that was not my intention. However, just like you said you are not muslim so don't accept the rituals of islam, at the same time, you can't speak for GOD. He has his own voice, and unless He specifically revealed something to you that is unknown to us, what you are saying remains just that, your opinion. For us Muslims, the Quran is the WORD of God, directly speaking to us, and we believe that what was revealed to the prophet (saw) is what God said to him directly, so if he says " Before praying, you have to purify yourself". well to us that's God's wanting us to purify ourselves before praying. By you saying "God doesn't care about x, y z," while clearly , he mentioned it in the book that we (muslims) believe is from Him is contradictory, because had he not cared, he would not have mentioned it, given that He just doesn't mention things for sports. Everything in Islam has a purpose and a meaning and is relevant to us. Now, I agree with you that yes we should focus on how we treat each other, but that is not our ONLY focus in Islam, our main focus is our relationship with the Creator and of course when your heart is pure then you start treating people better. Oh, and you can wear nail polish it is not forbidden, but when ure doing wudu u have to take if off if its not permeable. If it is permeable, then yes of course you can wear it all day as your wudu is still valid with it on. One more thing, you said oyu've read the entire Quran but have not seen nail polish there, muslims go by the Quran and the Sunnah ( what the prophet saw taught us). So, it is not just the Quran, and it the Quran an the teachings in the form of Hadiths (narrations) from teh Prophet saw, for that reason, you won't find a description of how muslims are supposed to pray in the Quran, but Muslims pray the same way as it was taught in the Hadiths, same thing about wudu, it is in the Hadiths.
i apologized if i offended you in my speech or offended anyone else, please forgive me, it is not my intention.

There are several articulate, humble, informative, and less preachy Muslims on DCUM. I wish they would pop in this forum once in a while. PP comes off as hostile.

- (apparently DCUM-religion's resident ex-Muslim)

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Doing what things make your heart pure? Uhmm yes, to me that is your opinion, and yeh Muslim beliefs can be "muslim's opinion" to you, really doesn't keep me up at night i am not waltzing around anything, as i have nothing to prove to you. i am firm in what i believe and have zero doubts, so i don't need to waltz around anything, what i believe is enough for me. To you your religion or lack of and to me mine, that is your right!

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read about a new, water-permeable nail polish that is taking the Muslim world by storm. But I do think God is concerned about other things than whether a woman is wearing nail polish.

Well, what you think is irrelevant unless God Himself told you that, which I doubt

That was unecessary, dear poster. I'm not Muslim like you, so I don't need to accept the ritual pillars in the Qu'ran (Haj, ritual washing, fasting, others) as God's commandments to me.

I'm religious but I agree that religious people need to focus more on how we treat others (the poor, trying not to hate people who are different from us, and that's just a start) and less on checking off boxes about what we eat, how we wash, and other rituals. I can see how people believe these ritual aspects bring God into their daily lives, and that's important. But there's a risk of thinking that checking these ritual boxes makes you a "better" person, especially relative to other people you start to look down on because they are eating the wrong thing or something, and I think the nail polish issue is a case in point.

In any case, I have read the Qu'ran and there's nothing in there about nail polish, obviously, so I'm not clear why the permeable nail polish can't be worn all day.

I am the poster you are quoting and I am sorry if I offended you, that was not my intention. However, just like you said you are not muslim so don't accept the rituals of islam, at the same time, you can't speak for GOD. He has his own voice, and unless He specifically revealed something to you that is unknown to us, what you are saying remains just that, your opinion. For us Muslims, the Quran is the WORD of God, directly speaking to us, and we believe that what was revealed to the prophet (saw) is what God said to him directly, so if he says " Before praying, you have to purify yourself". well to us that's God's wanting us to purify ourselves before praying. By you saying "God doesn't care about x, y z," while clearly , he mentioned it in the book that we (muslims) believe is from Him is contradictory, because had he not cared, he would not have mentioned it, given that He just doesn't mention things for sports. Everything in Islam has a purpose and a meaning and is relevant to us. Now, I agree with you that yes we should focus on how we treat each other, but that is not our ONLY focus in Islam, our main focus is our relationship with the Creator and of course when your heart is pure then you start treating people better. Oh, and you can wear nail polish it is not forbidden, but when ure doing wudu u have to take if off if its not permeable. If it is permeable, then yes of course you can wear it all day as your wudu is still valid with it on. One more thing, you said oyu've read the entire Quran but have not seen nail polish there, muslims go by the Quran and the Sunnah ( what the prophet saw taught us). So, it is not just the Quran, and it the Quran an the teachings in the form of Hadiths (narrations) from teh Prophet saw, for that reason, you won't find a description of how muslims are supposed to pray in the Quran, but Muslims pray the same way as it was taught in the Hadiths, same thing about wudu, it is in the Hadiths.
i apologized if i offended you in my speech or offended anyone else, please forgive me, it is not my intention.

There are several articulate, humble, informative, and less preachy Muslims on DCUM. I wish they would pop in this forum once in a while. PP comes off as hostile.

- (apparently DCUM-religion's resident ex-Muslim)

+1. I love where she says non-Muslim beliefs are only our "opinion" -- as opposed to Muslim beliefs, apparently. I wish she'd can it, for the good of other Muslims everywhere.

Also she keeps waltzing around the question of *why* doing these things "makes your heart pure" and "then you start treating people better." I think this is another version of the same question everyone has been asking her for the whole thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I read about a new, water-permeable nail polish that is taking the Muslim world by storm. But I do think God is concerned about other things than whether a woman is wearing nail polish.

Well, what you think is irrelevant unless God Himself told you that, which I doubt

That was unecessary, dear poster. I'm not Muslim like you, so I don't need to accept the ritual pillars in the Qu'ran (Haj, ritual washing, fasting, others) as God's commandments to me.

I'm religious but I agree that religious people need to focus more on how we treat others (the poor, trying not to hate people who are different from us, and that's just a start) and less on checking off boxes about what we eat, how we wash, and other rituals. I can see how people believe these ritual aspects bring God into their daily lives, and that's important. But there's a risk of thinking that checking these ritual boxes makes you a "better" person, especially relative to other people you start to look down on because they are eating the wrong thing or something, and I think the nail polish issue is a case in point.

In any case, I have read the Qu'ran and there's nothing in there about nail polish, obviously, so I'm not clear why the permeable nail polish can't be worn all day.

I am the poster you are quoting and I am sorry if I offended you, that was not my intention. However, just like you said you are not muslim so don't accept the rituals of islam, at the same time, you can't speak for GOD. He has his own voice, and unless He specifically revealed something to you that is unknown to us, what you are saying remains just that, your opinion. For us Muslims, the Quran is the WORD of God, directly speaking to us, and we believe that what was revealed to the prophet (saw) is what God said to him directly, so if he says " Before praying, you have to purify yourself". well to us that's God's wanting us to purify ourselves before praying. By you saying "God doesn't care about x, y z," while clearly , he mentioned it in the book that we (muslims) believe is from Him is contradictory, because had he not cared, he would not have mentioned it, given that He just doesn't mention things for sports. Everything in Islam has a purpose and a meaning and is relevant to us. Now, I agree with you that yes we should focus on how we treat each other, but that is not our ONLY focus in Islam, our main focus is our relationship with the Creator and of course when your heart is pure then you start treating people better. Oh, and you can wear nail polish it is not forbidden, but when ure doing wudu u have to take if off if its not permeable. If it is permeable, then yes of course you can wear it all day as your wudu is still valid with it on. One more thing, you said oyu've read the entire Quran but have not seen nail polish there, muslims go by the Quran and the Sunnah ( what the prophet saw taught us). So, it is not just the Quran, and it the Quran an the teachings in the form of Hadiths (narrations) from teh Prophet saw, for that reason, you won't find a description of how muslims are supposed to pray in the Quran, but Muslims pray the same way as it was taught in the Hadiths, same thing about wudu, it is in the Hadiths.
i apologized if i offended you in my speech or offended anyone else, please forgive me, it is not my intention.

There are several articulate, humble, informative, and less preachy Muslims on DCUM. I wish they would pop in this forum once in a while. PP comes off as hostile.

- (apparently DCUM-religion's resident ex-Muslim)

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read about a new, water-permeable nail polish that is taking the Muslim world by storm. But I do think God is concerned about other things than whether a woman is wearing nail polish.

Well, what you think is irrelevant unless God Himself told you that, which I doubt

That was unecessary, dear poster. I'm not Muslim like you, so I don't need to accept the ritual pillars in the Qu'ran (Haj, ritual washing, fasting, others) as God's commandments to me.

I'm religious but I agree that religious people need to focus more on how we treat others (the poor, trying not to hate people who are different from us, and that's just a start) and less on checking off boxes about what we eat, how we wash, and other rituals. I can see how people believe these ritual aspects bring God into their daily lives, and that's important. But there's a risk of thinking that checking these ritual boxes makes you a "better" person, especially relative to other people you start to look down on because they are eating the wrong thing or something, and I think the nail polish issue is a case in point.

In any case, I have read the Qu'ran and there's nothing in there about nail polish, obviously, so I'm not clear why the permeable nail polish can't be worn all day.

I am the poster you are quoting and I am sorry if I offended you, that was not my intention. However, just like you said you are not muslim so don't accept the rituals of islam, at the same time, you can't speak for GOD. He has his own voice, and unless He specifically revealed something to you that is unknown to us, what you are saying remains just that, your opinion. For us Muslims, the Quran is the WORD of God, directly speaking to us, and we believe that what was revealed to the prophet (saw) is what God said to him directly, so if he says " Before praying, you have to purify yourself". well to us that's God's wanting us to purify ourselves before praying. By you saying "God doesn't care about x, y z," while clearly , he mentioned it in the book that we (muslims) believe is from Him is contradictory, because had he not cared, he would not have mentioned it, given that He just doesn't mention things for sports. Everything in Islam has a purpose and a meaning and is relevant to us. Now, I agree with you that yes we should focus on how we treat each other, but that is not our ONLY focus in Islam, our main focus is our relationship with the Creator and of course when your heart is pure then you start treating people better. Oh, and you can wear nail polish it is not forbidden, but when ure doing wudu u have to take if off if its not permeable. If it is permeable, then yes of course you can wear it all day as your wudu is still valid with it on. One more thing, you said oyu've read the entire Quran but have not seen nail polish there, muslims go by the Quran and the Sunnah ( what the prophet saw taught us). So, it is not just the Quran, and it the Quran an the teachings in the form of Hadiths (narrations) from teh Prophet saw, for that reason, you won't find a description of how muslims are supposed to pray in the Quran, but Muslims pray the same way as it was taught in the Hadiths, same thing about wudu, it is in the Hadiths.
i apologized if i offended you in my speech or offended anyone else, please forgive me, it is not my intention.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read about a new, water-permeable nail polish that is taking the Muslim world by storm. But I do think God is concerned about other things than whether a woman is wearing nail polish.

Well, what you think is irrelevant unless God Himself told you that, which I doubt

That was unecessary, dear poster. I'm not Muslim like you, so I don't need to accept the ritual pillars in the Qu'ran (Haj, ritual washing, fasting, others) as God's commandments to me.

I'm religious but I agree that religious people need to focus more on how we treat others (the poor, trying not to hate people who are different from us, and that's just a start) and less on checking off boxes about what we eat, how we wash, and other rituals. I can see how people believe these ritual aspects bring God into their daily lives, and that's important. But there's a risk of thinking that checking these ritual boxes makes you a "better" person, especially relative to other people you start to look down on because they are eating the wrong thing or something, and I think the nail polish issue is a case in point.

In any case, I have read the Qu'ran and there's nothing in there about nail polish, obviously, so I'm not clear why the permeable nail polish can't be worn all day.

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Anonymous wrote:I am looking for a progressive masjid, not so progressive that they have women leading salah.
But one where the aunties won't harass me for wearing nail polish in the prayer hall.

tia

You do know that the prohibition on nail polish is because the water creates a barrier to performing wudoo.

Wudoo is such a weird, irrational thing. Going to the bathroom and farting break your wudoo, but none of the traditional ablutions have anything to do with your butt. I guess one could say "to make sure your hands are clean," but one should be doing that anyway after going to the bathroom.

So the idea of nail polish creating a barrier to performing wudoo is ridiculous. But I think most religion (Islam and other religions) are more about the ritual, than the rational.

Uhm that is, because us Muslims do clean our butt whenever we go to the bathroom with WATER, so no need to clean the butt while doing wudu and your point is?

Question - when you are out and about, do you carry bottled water with you to use after going to the bathroom? I've studied Islam, and know you are supposed to use water, but I've always wondered this. Does it HAVE to be water? Could you use those toilet paper wet wipes instead?

Anonymous wrote:13:07 again. As to why nail polish is impure? It's said because it covers the skin and you cannot wash everything below the elbow. I don't feel this is true, personally, but I likely hold the minority opinion. I feel it's another stupid way to try and control women.

Anonymous wrote:13:07 again. As to why nail polish is impure? It's said because it covers the skin and you cannot wash everything below the elbow. I don't feel this is true, personally, but I likely hold the minority opinion. I feel it's another stupid way to try and control women.