Anonymous
06/16/2013 16:43
Subject: Re:When is it just rude? A job search rant
Anonymous wrote:You all don't seem to understand that your time is not nearly as valuable as the employer's in this economy. Yes, it would be great to think that the field is level and fair, but it isn't and it doesn't have to be when there are 800 applicants for every opening.
Save your outrage for something you can actually do something about. Shaking your tiny fist about not getting a thank you/ sorry we went with someone else email will not get you a job.
Not sure where your outrage comes from. No one is saying that anything is fair or level or anything else. This is simply about the inherent rudeness of having someone to your offices for multiple in-person interviews and not having the courtesy of giving that person a straightforward no or thank you for coming in. You might think it is fine and that it is a measure of one's power -- I however, see it as rudeness and bad business. Just remember that one day's job seeker becomes another day's hiring manager, colleague or business competitor. It is never a good idea to create ill-will unnecessarily. People have long memories and tend to remember those who treated them with respect during their job seeking days...and also remember those who did not.
Apparently, you didn't read the thread. Yes, in fact, there was several people who suggested that it is a company's responsibility to contact every applicant, which, I think, if foolish. Since this is an anonymous forum, you don't know that I have been a PP who agreed that once you bring someone in for an in person, yes, it is rude not to contact them to let them know you went with someone else.
The rest of your post is off base. I have no outrage. I am employed and I hire. It was me who called out the PP for their outrage. Secondly, I never said it was good business or a good idea to create ill will. My point was simple. It isn't a level field. Your dreams of revenge for perceived slights of how you think you were treated when you were job seeking is not a worthwhile way to spend your time. We live in a bad economy where you just don't have the power and influence you want as a job seeker. Rather than complaining about this, make yourself indispensable. Living well and all.
Anonymous
06/15/2013 17:20
Subject: When is it just rude? A job search rant
Anonymous wrote:You all don't seem to understand that your time is not nearly as valuable as the employer's in this economy. Yes, it would be great to think that the field is level and fair, but it isn't and it doesn't have to be when there are 800 applicants for every opening.
Save your outrage for something you can actually do something about. Shaking your tiny fist about not getting a thank you/ sorry we went with someone else email will not get you a job.
Not sure where your outrage comes from. No one is saying that anything is fair or level or anything else. This is simply about the inherent rudeness of having someone to your offices for multiple in-person interviews and not having the courtesy of giving that person a straightforward no or thank you for coming in. You might think it is fine and that it is a measure of one's power -- I however, see it as rudeness and bad business. Just remember that one day's job seeker becomes another day's hiring manager, colleague or business competitor. It is never a good idea to create ill-will unnecessarily. People have long memories and tend to remember those who treated them with respect during their job seeking days...and also remember those who did not.
Anonymous
06/15/2013 17:04
Subject: When is it just rude? A job search rant
You all don't seem to understand that your time is not nearly as valuable as the employer's in this economy. Yes, it would be great to think that the field is level and fair, but it isn't and it doesn't have to be when there are 800 applicants for every opening.
Save your outrage for something you can actually do something about. Shaking your tiny fist about not getting a thank you/ sorry we went with someone else email will not get you a job.
Save your outrage for something you can actually do something about. Shaking your tiny fist about not getting a thank you/ sorry we went with someone else email will not get you a job.
Anonymous
06/13/2013 11:27
Subject: When is it just rude? A job search rant
I don't understand the multiple rounds of interviews, etc., for a regular office drone position making $50-$200k a year. For something like CEO, or direct report to CEO, maybe I can see it.
1. HR screen (can/should be done on the phone) to verify the guy's not completely BS'ing and make sure you don't have some guy wanting $100k when you're only paying $70k, that sort of thing.
2. Subject matter phone screen to weed out the more subtle BS'ers.
3. In-person interview, possibly with 2-4 additional people -- don't waste a candidate's time with more than 2 of these. If someone is in demand and ready to move on, then odds are they will be picked up by someone else while you take
If you make it to a subject matter phone screen then at least follow up.
Rank your finalists 1-N, and then if you run into funding BS or the such, let your finalists know. You may end up having to hire the #2 or #3 on your list so you don't have to sit around for another 3 months of BS.
1. HR screen (can/should be done on the phone) to verify the guy's not completely BS'ing and make sure you don't have some guy wanting $100k when you're only paying $70k, that sort of thing.
2. Subject matter phone screen to weed out the more subtle BS'ers.
3. In-person interview, possibly with 2-4 additional people -- don't waste a candidate's time with more than 2 of these. If someone is in demand and ready to move on, then odds are they will be picked up by someone else while you take
If you make it to a subject matter phone screen then at least follow up.
Rank your finalists 1-N, and then if you run into funding BS or the such, let your finalists know. You may end up having to hire the #2 or #3 on your list so you don't have to sit around for another 3 months of BS.
Anonymous
06/12/2013 16:39
Subject: When is it just rude? A job search rant
Op here. Thank you for all the responses. I feel better (strangely enough) just to know that I'm not the only one who has experienced this or who thinks it is inconsiderate.
To the HR posters: I get it, really I do. I'm not suggesting emailing or calling every person who applies for a job. But in my situation, where there have been multiple interviews and follow up interviews on multiple days, where specifics like money and possible start dates were discussed, it seems rude to just not respond back to respond back. It seems that, by this point in the process, it should be the right thing to do.
Thank you all for letting me get this off my chest. Best of luck to all the others who, like me, are continuing on with the job search process.
To the HR posters: I get it, really I do. I'm not suggesting emailing or calling every person who applies for a job. But in my situation, where there have been multiple interviews and follow up interviews on multiple days, where specifics like money and possible start dates were discussed, it seems rude to just not respond back to respond back. It seems that, by this point in the process, it should be the right thing to do.
Thank you all for letting me get this off my chest. Best of luck to all the others who, like me, are continuing on with the job search process.
Anonymous
06/12/2013 14:57
Subject: When is it just rude? A job search rant
Anonymous wrote:And you wonder why America ranks so low for workplace satisfaction and production compared to its other western counterparts. Even Singapore has left us in the dust.Anonymous wrote:Employers literally have thousands of applicants to pick from for every or any position that they post an opening for. You are swimming in a sea of &#!+, so keep your mouth closed, your head high, and maybe you'll survive!
I'm not saying that it's right, but that's what's going on in the job market right not. People that used to be safe are getting the pink slip. If you were a top producer - the company thinks that they can replace you with someone younger, cheaper (the main reason that affect the bottom line), and smarter.
Now is a perfect time for companies that want to get rid of the less desirables. A few good plants taken away with the weeds makes room for new plants.
Bob Seger sang it best: "I feel like a number!"
Trust me, of all people, I can fully grasp what you just said. I was a top producer who got the whack (laid off) from a company that I produced over $2 MILLION dollars of profit for in under 5 years of service. I didn't even get paid 1/4 of that in salary and commissions during that same time frame. BIG BUSINESS always screws the little employee! I was a high paid sweatshop worker. I worked 10-12 hours days, sacrificed lunches, worked overtime without getting paid for it. Anymore, it doesn't pay to be a loyal employee either. No retirement/pension plan.
Anonymous
06/12/2013 14:34
Subject: When is it just rude? A job search rant
Anonymous wrote:I love how "being bitter" is supposed to be some huge insult. Tired. Very tired.Anonymous wrote:It seems like you're all just really bitter. Probably angry because you're out of work or miserable at the job you're looking to flee.
Just like when you're dating and the guy doesn't call, if you don't get a response, they're not interested. How hard is it to take a hint?
+1 It's the knee-jerk response if someone doesn't agree with your POV and doesn't have a counter-argument that holds water. It's the adult equivalent of "I know you are, but what am I?"