Anonymous
06/05/2013 07:31
Subject: Re:Tea Party targets common core
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:it's called healthy debate.... isn't that the hallmark of a civil society? To discuss the laws that affect the many?
Keep an eye on Catania's city-wide DC proposals as well. I think some are sound, some less so. If passed, they affect the entire city. Civil society can support, challenge, debate these things. The impact is great.
If it was a healthy debate, they would provide examples of their concerns with the standards. In any of this, have you seen them describe actual problems with these standards? I haven't.
The problem is the standards have not been tested - it's a huge experiment thrust on our kids.
The standards are being used right now in a number of states and the District of Columbia. Can you point out any problems that have resulted?
For how long? That's the issue - what's the long-term affect? The colleges already complain they are getting robots with legs applying, not students who think. How will this encourage kids to actually think? We don't know a damn thing in that regard. And the poor it's supposed to help? Any teacher will tell you that when kids are being made fun of, bullied, etc. in their neighborhood schools because they want to learn, they stop to protect themselves. If you think for one moment that changing the curriculum is going to help these students, you're in denial. What works is getting the kids that want to learn OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS and into other schools where they can learn safely. Which is why when Obama pulled vouchers, the public went mad.
My daughter asked to be pulled from her public high school into private because she said she was being taught to memorize to a test and was learning nothing at all. In fact, she said what she did learn, she was teaching herself. She's in private now and the difference is huge. And she was in one of the top Virginia schools. The teachers now bribe the kids to do well on the SOL's, are you aware of that?
Another comment from a person who has not read the Common Core. And what are you going on about with Obama and school vouchers? The only thing I can think of was that the program had to be reauthorized, which it was in the budget deal.
Anonymous
06/05/2013 07:13
Subject: Tea Party targets common core
^^ That's long term Effect
Anonymous
06/05/2013 07:08
Subject: Re:Tea Party targets common core
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:it's called healthy debate.... isn't that the hallmark of a civil society? To discuss the laws that affect the many?
Keep an eye on Catania's city-wide DC proposals as well. I think some are sound, some less so. If passed, they affect the entire city. Civil society can support, challenge, debate these things. The impact is great.
If it was a healthy debate, they would provide examples of their concerns with the standards. In any of this, have you seen them describe actual problems with these standards? I haven't.
The problem is the standards have not been tested - it's a huge experiment thrust on our kids.
The standards are being used right now in a number of states and the District of Columbia. Can you point out any problems that have resulted?
For how long? That's the issue - what's the long-term affect? The colleges already complain they are getting robots with legs applying, not students who think. How will this encourage kids to actually think? We don't know a damn thing in that regard. And the poor it's supposed to help? Any teacher will tell you that when kids are being made fun of, bullied, etc. in their neighborhood schools because they want to learn, they stop to protect themselves. If you think for one moment that changing the curriculum is going to help these students, you're in denial. What works is getting the kids that want to learn OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS and into other schools where they can learn safely. Which is why when Obama pulled vouchers, the public went mad.
My daughter asked to be pulled from her public high school into private because she said she was being taught to memorize to a test and was learning nothing at all. In fact, she said what she did learn, she was teaching herself. She's in private now and the difference is huge. And she was in one of the top Virginia schools. The teachers now bribe the kids to do well on the SOL's, are you aware of that?
Anonymous
06/05/2013 07:00
Subject: Tea Party targets common core
This is what happens when a nation loses its way and starts prioritizing book learning over moral instruction.
There should be only one item on the Core Curriculum, and that is the Bible.
Maybe we would have fewer so-called "scientists" and "doctors", but we would have a lot more ministers and healers.
There should be only one item on the Core Curriculum, and that is the Bible.
Maybe we would have fewer so-called "scientists" and "doctors", but we would have a lot more ministers and healers.
Anonymous
06/05/2013 06:53
Subject: Re:Tea Party targets common core
Anonymous wrote:Standardized testing can show regional bias. Example: asking kids in Florida to identify a toboggan. Even the teachers in Florida don't know a sled from a toboggan.
What a boneheaded critique of the common core. You have absolutely no idea what it is.
jsteele
06/05/2013 06:41
Subject: Re:Tea Party targets common core
Anonymous wrote:Also, if the tests are used to judge teachers, those teachers in the Title I schools or with lots of special needs kids in their classes will be penalized. For the record, all special needs kids are not necessarily labeled as such.
Test results are already used in DC and other cities to evaluate teachers. There are many -- including me -- that feel this is unfair and promotes the type of cheating that has been exposed in several cities (including DC). This is a problem separate and distinct from common core standards.
Anonymous
06/04/2013 20:05
Subject: Re:Tea Party targets common core
Also, if the tests are used to judge teachers, those teachers in the Title I schools or with lots of special needs kids in their classes will be penalized. For the record, all special needs kids are not necessarily labeled as such.
Anonymous
06/04/2013 20:03
Subject: Re:Tea Party targets common core
Standardized testing can show regional bias. Example: asking kids in Florida to identify a toboggan. Even the teachers in Florida don't know a sled from a toboggan.
jsteele
06/04/2013 20:00
Subject: Re:Tea Party targets common core
Anonymous wrote:The plan is to have a universal assessment. That is when the problems will come.
What problems do you anticipate?
Anonymous
06/04/2013 19:42
Subject: Re:Tea Party targets common core
The plan is to have a universal assessment. That is when the problems will come.
jsteele
06/04/2013 19:16
Subject: Re:Tea Party targets common core
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:it's called healthy debate.... isn't that the hallmark of a civil society? To discuss the laws that affect the many?
Keep an eye on Catania's city-wide DC proposals as well. I think some are sound, some less so. If passed, they affect the entire city. Civil society can support, challenge, debate these things. The impact is great.
If it was a healthy debate, they would provide examples of their concerns with the standards. In any of this, have you seen them describe actual problems with these standards? I haven't.
The problem is the standards have not been tested - it's a huge experiment thrust on our kids.
The standards are being used right now in a number of states and the District of Columbia. Can you point out any problems that have resulted?
Anonymous
06/04/2013 18:36
Subject: Re:Tea Party targets common core
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:it's called healthy debate.... isn't that the hallmark of a civil society? To discuss the laws that affect the many?
Keep an eye on Catania's city-wide DC proposals as well. I think some are sound, some less so. If passed, they affect the entire city. Civil society can support, challenge, debate these things. The impact is great.
If it was a healthy debate, they would provide examples of their concerns with the standards. In any of this, have you seen them describe actual problems with these standards? I haven't.
The problem is the standards have not been tested - it's a huge experiment thrust on our kids.
Anonymous
06/04/2013 18:15
Subject: Re:Tea Party targets common core
Anonymous wrote:it's called healthy debate.... isn't that the hallmark of a civil society? To discuss the laws that affect the many?
Keep an eye on Catania's city-wide DC proposals as well. I think some are sound, some less so. If passed, they affect the entire city. Civil society can support, challenge, debate these things. The impact is great.
If it was a healthy debate, they would provide examples of their concerns with the standards. In any of this, have you seen them describe actual problems with these standards? I haven't.
Anonymous
06/04/2013 17:58
Subject: Re:Tea Party targets common core
it's called healthy debate.... isn't that the hallmark of a civil society? To discuss the laws that affect the many?
Keep an eye on Catania's city-wide DC proposals as well. I think some are sound, some less so. If passed, they affect the entire city. Civil society can support, challenge, debate these things. The impact is great.
Keep an eye on Catania's city-wide DC proposals as well. I think some are sound, some less so. If passed, they affect the entire city. Civil society can support, challenge, debate these things. The impact is great.
Anonymous
06/03/2013 13:29
Subject: Re:Tea Party targets common core
I admit that I need to study it more.
However, if the standards are used like NCLB standards have been, it could be devastating to schools and teachers who teach in low income areas.
However, if the standards are used like NCLB standards have been, it could be devastating to schools and teachers who teach in low income areas.