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Anonymous wrote:OK. Straight "A" 6th grade student. Advanced mathematics since 3rd grade. Not AAP. School did no "10 minute" practice test for IAAT. DC taken off guard by quick time passage and didn't finish half of 1st section. DC is very disappointed because she/he new the material. Does anyone know if there is subjectivity with Algebra 1 placement if there is a high score on 7th grade SOL. Is there an IAAT retake option? DC concerned with already knowing 7th grade honors math.

I don't know If any school did a "10 minute" practice test. Ours certainly didn't. We were told it's one of those -either you know it or you don't- kind of tests where time for calculations shouldn't be necessary.

Ours did not, either. The only "help" provided was on test day -- using a SmartBoard to display a 10 minute countdown clock for each section.

like the school said, the test is supposed to be hard, and most kids retake algebra in eight anyway

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Anonymous wrote:That's actually a significantly lower correlation between the two assessments than I would have guessed -- only about 70 percent of those who passed based on the IAAT also made the SOL cutoff. So don't count your chickens yet.

I am only guessing, but I think that a higher score on the IAAT likely correlates with a higher score on the SOL.

So those with scores at 91 or 92 may be less likely to score Pass Advanced on the SOL, vs. those with scores of 98 or 99 on the IAAT who may be more likely to score Pass Advanced.

My dc had a 95% on the IAAT, 570 on the SOL, and all A's in 6th grade AAP math, and is struggling to keep a B in Algebra.

I wonder if it would be different if Algebra, as opposed to only Algebra Honors was an option. It is truly a HS level class. Homework is not graded and does not count, there is a new topic every day, a quiz every day, and tests with very few questions so that missing even one really brings the grade down. Not showing the work exactly how the teacher wants it shown can take 50% off each question, regardless of a correct answer.

In retrospect, i wish we had stuck with Math 7 honors.

NO, NO and NO. Stop this!

You do not want to "appeal" or "prep" your child into Algebra I Honors. If they don't "get it" on their own give them the opportunity to do so. Pushing them will only set them up for failure. Why would you want to push them? If it is TJ you are wanting for your child they need to be successful in math.

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Anonymous wrote:What does the % ranking indicate ...is it Fairfax local or national?

It is a percentage, not a percentile. 91% means 91% correct.

Actually, from what I've heard, it's a percentile. the raw is the percent but raw doesn't matter

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Anonymous wrote:OK. Straight "A" 6th grade student. Advanced mathematics since 3rd grade. Not AAP. School did no "10 minute" practice test for IAAT. DC taken off guard by quick time passage and didn't finish half of 1st section. DC is very disappointed because she/he new the material. Does anyone know if there is subjectivity with Algebra 1 placement if there is a high score on 7th grade SOL. Is there an IAAT retake option? DC concerned with already knowing 7th grade honors math.

There is no subjectivity with Algebra I placement. There is no retake option for the IAAT.

I found mention of parent appeal in the "Advanced Math: Algebra 1" slide here:

http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/pdfs/aapac/AAPACpresentationJan2013.pdf

The parent appeal part is very interesting. Does it mean that a child may be able to take Algebra 1 Honors if they made one of the two cut-offs, and/or have a track record of high performance in math through 6th grade (including SOL scores).

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Anonymous wrote:That's actually a significantly lower correlation between the two assessments than I would have guessed -- only about 70 percent of those who passed based on the IAAT also made the SOL cutoff. So don't count your chickens yet.

I am only guessing, but I think that a higher score on the IAAT likely correlates with a higher score on the SOL.

So those with scores at 91 or 92 may be less likely to score Pass Advanced on the SOL, vs. those with scores of 98 or 99 on the IAAT who may be more likely to score Pass Advanced.

My dc had a 95% on the IAAT, 570 on the SOL, and all A's in 6th grade AAP math, and is struggling to keep a B in Algebra.

I wonder if it would be different if Algebra, as opposed to only Algebra Honors was an option. It is truly a HS level class. Homework is not graded and does not count, there is a new topic every day, a quiz every day, and tests with very few questions so that missing even one really brings the grade down. Not showing the work exactly how the teacher wants it shown can take 50% off each question, regardless of a correct answer.

In retrospect, i wish we had stuck with Math 7 honors.

Back in the late 80s in FCPS Algebra in the 8th grade was honors, not 7th! and I remember the daily quizzes and friday tests. I also remember I had a great teacher - Mr. Snuffaluphagus is what we called him - can't recall his real name. But, I burnt out on math later high school, but to this day I still love Algebra. DC just got a 99 on his iowas, and I know he'll pass the sols (he's good at standardized test). I want him to love algebra - it's the math of everyday life. So, I am kinda concerned about what is wrong with 8th grade being algebra.

most Fairfax county students shall have it on Friday 3/14

By the way how does the school prepare the kids for IAAT. Are the questions related to what they learned in forth,fifth,sixth grades.

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Anonymous wrote:That's actually a significantly lower correlation between the two assessments than I would have guessed -- only about 70 percent of those who passed based on the IAAT also made the SOL cutoff. So don't count your chickens yet.

I am only guessing, but I think that a higher score on the IAAT likely correlates with a higher score on the SOL.

So those with scores at 91 or 92 may be less likely to score Pass Advanced on the SOL, vs. those with scores of 98 or 99 on the IAAT who may be more likely to score Pass Advanced.

My dc had a 95% on the IAAT, 570 on the SOL, and all A's in 6th grade AAP math, and is struggling to keep a B in Algebra.

I wonder if it would be different if Algebra, as opposed to only Algebra Honors was an option. It is truly a HS level class. Homework is not graded and does not count, there is a new topic every day, a quiz every day, and tests with very few questions so that missing even one really brings the grade down. Not showing the work exactly how the teacher wants it shown can take 50% off each question, regardless of a correct answer.

In retrospect, i wish we had stuck with Math 7 honors.

Anonymous wrote:That's actually a significantly lower correlation between the two assessments than I would have guessed -- only about 70 percent of those who passed based on the IAAT also made the SOL cutoff. So don't count your chickens yet.

I am only guessing, but I think that a higher score on the IAAT likely correlates with a higher score on the SOL.

So those with scores at 91 or 92 may be less likely to score Pass Advanced on the SOL, vs. those with scores of 98 or 99 on the IAAT who may be more likely to score Pass Advanced.

The Presentation linked above has the following data:

•How many students took the Iowa (IAAT) during the 2011-2012 school year?
In 2011-2012, 4890 students took the IAAT.
•How many students made the cut off score?
There are two assessments used for entry into Algebra 1: Iowa (91% or higher) and the 7th Grade SOL (pass advanced score).
•The cut-off score for the Iowa is 91% and a total of 1876 students scored at 91% or higher.
•A total of 2,110 students passed advanced on the 7th grade SOL.
•A total of 1,298 students qualified based on the two testing criteria.

That's actually a significantly lower correlation between the two assessments than I would have guessed -- only about 70 percent of those who passed based on the IAAT also made the SOL cutoff. So don't count your chickens yet.

(FYI, we just got our letter today from Glasgow, so don't freak out if you haven't gotten your scores.)

Got ours in the mail today. School is Westgate.

I think the teacher may be able to override a placement if one test score meets the benchmark and the other is close, but it sounds like the pp's child 's score might be way off.

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Anonymous wrote:OK. Straight "A" 6th grade student. Advanced mathematics since 3rd grade. Not AAP. School did no "10 minute" practice test for IAAT. DC taken off guard by quick time passage and didn't finish half of 1st section. DC is very disappointed because she/he new the material. Does anyone know if there is subjectivity with Algebra 1 placement if there is a high score on 7th grade SOL. Is there an IAAT retake option? DC concerned with already knowing 7th grade honors math.

There is no subjectivity with Algebra I placement. There is no retake option for the IAAT.

I found mention of parent appeal in the "Advanced Math: Algebra 1" slide here:

http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/pdfs/aapac/AAPACpresentationJan2013.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:OK. Straight "A" 6th grade student. Advanced mathematics since 3rd grade. Not AAP. School did no "10 minute" practice test for IAAT. DC taken off guard by quick time passage and didn't finish half of 1st section. DC is very disappointed because she/he new the material. Does anyone know if there is subjectivity with Algebra 1 placement if there is a high score on 7th grade SOL. Is there an IAAT retake option? DC concerned with already knowing 7th grade honors math.

What some parents do, is have their child take Geometry over the summer after Algebra I, so they start Algebra II with the students that took Algebra I in 7th grade. It takes away a good portion of their summer and costs quite a bit though.

[list]so 8th grade summer?