I am the parent of a trans kid (teenager now) and I am incredibly supportive of all trans rights -- and let me tell you, if my kid (born female but identified as male since the Elmo years) was using the men's locker room, I would say - "hey babe, cover up those private parts with a towel." And I am pretty sure my teen would roll his eyes and reply, "Like, duh, mom." Same thing if my kid was born male, I'm absolutely sure that Mr. Happy would not see any airtime in a female locker room. My kid would be mortified if it happened.

In my view, as informed by my actual experiences with the trans community, this is something the fear-mongers have just jinned up. The trans folk I know are incredibly educated, sensitive, thoughtful people (something about this condition engenders a lot of introspection and contemplation, wow, imagine that!). In my experience, most trans people have NO interest in advertising or highlighting their original physical gender, they are all about changing their appearance to their true internal gender. The idea of a trans woman flashing her pre-op male genitals in a locker room runs counter to absolutely everything I know about transgendered folks. I mean, it is laughable, actually.

Re this story - I am willing to bet that she didn't display her private parts. Think about it. The spa owners would have claimed that fact, it would have made their story oh-so-much more compelling. And the press would have highlighted that fact, it would have made their story oh-so-much more interesting.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a private business and can do whatever it wants without being accused of being unfair.

You're absolutely right--the business can do whatever it wants to do. But folks can accuse it of being unfair all they want, just like folks accuse country clubs for being unfair for not allowing women to be members or accuse the Boy Scouts for being unfair by not allowing gay members. In the case of Spa World, anyone who thinks it's unfair can simply choose to not spend their money there.

Spa world will have a tough road. People like you would patronize and allow your daughter to walk around and watch nude men. Hmm, I wonder if your husband would agree. People like me would not patronize the likes of Spa With the knowledge that the establishment allows people with male body parts to walk around nude in the ladies section of the facilities.

Anonymous wrote:DCUM confuses me. Here are lots of posts defending the right of a man-who-sees-himself-as-a-woman using a women's locker room. I seem to remember periodic hysteria on this forum ranting about women who bring their 6/7/8yo sons into the women's locker room, and how traumatizing it is for other women and their daughters.

Just curious if you are all consistent in your moral indignation and/or political correctness.

No these people are not consistent. But wait for it, they will attempt to distinguish the undistinguishable.

Anonymous wrote:It's a private business and can do whatever it wants without being accused of being unfair.

You're absolutely right--the business can do whatever it wants to do. But folks can accuse it of being unfair all they want, just like folks accuse country clubs for being unfair for not allowing women to be members or accuse the Boy Scouts for being unfair by not allowing gay members. In the case of Spa World, anyone who thinks it's unfair can simply choose to not spend their money there.

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Anonymous wrote:They're family oriented. I would not want my 4 yo changing in the same room as a men. My child is too young to understand transgenderism. I have nothing against them but please keep it private. Literally.

I completely agree with their position.

I hope that one day, your child is more open minded and respectful than you are.

So, you don't have a problem with your 7 year old daughter sitting in the sauna with a male. I don't believe you.

NP here and a mom of a 7 year old daughter. Yes, I have a problem with both my daughter and I sitting in a sauna with a male. But I have no problem with either of us sitting in a sauna with a transgendered woman. We're all females.

No, transgenders have their penises still attached. There is nothing female about that, especially while sitting in a hit sauna.

DCUM confuses me. Here are lots of posts defending the right of a man-who-sees-himself-as-a-woman using a women's locker room. I seem to remember periodic hysteria on this forum ranting about women who bring their 6/7/8yo sons into the women's locker room, and how traumatizing it is for other women and their daughters.

Just curious if you are all consistent in your moral indignation and/or political correctness.

Anonymous wrote:Im pretty sure that SHE was the most uncomfortable of everyone.

We have a transgender at my job who switched from a man to a woman last year.

At first I was very uncomfortable with this as she was now going to be using the women's restroom.

I always go out of my way to be really nice to her. I hold the doors, I say hello and thank you. She always smiles at me shyly but she never says anything. I suspect its bc shes self conscious about her voice.

Long story short I am completely comfortable with her being in the womens restroom with me but I think she is still adjusting and definitely more uncomfortable in the restroom than I am.

There are stalls with doors in the women's restroom. Totally different.

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Anonymous wrote:They're family oriented. I would not want my 4 yo changing in the same room as a men.

Why are you trying to protect your kid from the world she will eventually have to live in? The earlier you can expose her to different lifestyles, the earlier she can embrace them without fear or stigma.

4 years of age is way too young to understand transgenderism. how would you explain your child that transgender person is allowed in the girls room but her dad and her brother are not?

My child is exposed to many things he's too young to fully understand. Like most kids, he makes sense of it and carries on. I can't imagine witholding everything that he didn't understand.

As far as what to say, "This room is for girls and women. Your daddy is a man, and your brother, and so they go in the men's locker room. She is a woman like me, and so she belongs here." "But she has a penis" "You're right, she does. Most girls and women have vulva's, but some have penises. She's still a woman and this is where she belongs. Now, let's go get in the pool!"

But she really isn't a woman like you. She is a manufactured manmade put together creation.

And.....? What's your point?

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Anonymous wrote:Getbreal that's not what I said at all. I said I didn't care but everyone shouldn't be forced to have the same comfort level.

Everyone has the right to have their own comfort level. I can feel uncomfortable sitting next to a black person in a restaurant. i can even go to the owner and complain. But that owner CANNOT go to the black customer who is simply sitting there enjoying a meal and require him to leave because I feel uncomfortable.

So please propose how it should be determined whether to let someone stay or not. The woman in question was NOT engaged in any inappropriate behavior and was following the spa rules. She produced a drivers license indicating she was a female. Yet she made some other customers "uncomfortable" with her appearance. Please share what the determining factor(s) should be to require that person to leave.

Well transcended is not protected under title 7 and race is.

Anonymous wrote:Transgendered is not really a choice. Trans people still get beaten on a regular basis because they're different. Why would someone choose that?

Also, to the PP with a 4 year old: kids don't have the same genitalia hang ups as adults. They honestly don't care.

I'm going to go ahead and assume you have no kids, because they are 100% obsessed with body parts!

Excuse me if I don't want my kid blurting out that that woman has a thing just like daddy.

Nice straw man, this is Fairfax County, beatings, really?

And it IS diffeerent than skin color, no one gets startled or double takes an AA, they just don't.

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Anonymous wrote:They're family oriented. I would not want my 4 yo changing in the same room as a men. My child is too young to understand transgenderism. I have nothing against them but please keep it private. Literally.

I completely agree with their position.

I hope that one day, your child is more open minded and respectful than you are.

So, you don't have a problem with your 7 year old daughter sitting in the sauna with a male. I don't believe you.

NP here and a mom of a 7 year old daughter. Yes, I have a problem with both my daughter and I sitting in a sauna with a male. But I have no problem with either of us sitting in a sauna with a transgendered woman. We're all females.

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Anonymous wrote:They're family oriented. I would not want my 4 yo changing in the same room as a men.

Why are you trying to protect your kid from the world she will eventually have to live in? The earlier you can expose her to different lifestyles, the earlier she can embrace them without fear or stigma.

4 years of age is way too young to understand transgenderism. how would you explain your child that transgender person is allowed in the girls room but her dad and her brother are not?

My child is exposed to many things he's too young to fully understand. Like most kids, he makes sense of it and carries on. I can't imagine witholding everything that he didn't understand.

As far as what to say, "This room is for girls and women. Your daddy is a man, and your brother, and so they go in the men's locker room. She is a woman like me, and so she belongs here." "But she has a penis" "You're right, she does. Most girls and women have vulva's, but some have penises. She's still a woman and this is where she belongs. Now, let's go get in the pool!"

But she really isn't a woman like you. She is a manufactured manmade put together creation.

It's a private business and can do whatever it wants without being accused of being unfair.

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Anonymous wrote:They're family oriented. I would not want my 4 yo changing in the same room as a men. My child is too young to understand transgenderism. I have nothing against them but please keep it private. Literally.

I completely agree with their position.

I hope that one day, your child is more open minded and respectful than you are.

So, you don't have a problem with your 7 year old daughter sitting in the sauna with a male. I don't believe you.