Anonymous
Post 02/14/2013 17:29     Subject: What exactly is so much better/advanced at an AAP Center or Lv 4 class compared to a regular school?
Anonymous wrote:But these kids were already smart, of course. It's difficult to separate out the effect of the AAP center from the effect of just being smart.



Is it AAP that increases the chance of getting in TJ or the fact that the type of students in an AAP Center is more likely to get into TJ? I think most of the students in AAP that get into TJ had a high chance of getting in regardless of whether they attended an AAP center or stayed in their home school. The stand out student will be a stand out student where ever he/she attends.


These two post are making the same point, but it is a good one.
If there were a way to have a do-over and send the kids back through a school system where AAP or its equivalent did not exist, it's possible that many of the same kids would end up at TJ. There's really no way of knowing if AAP made a difference to any particular set of TJ students.

Anonymous
Post 02/14/2013 17:18     Subject: What exactly is so much better/advanced at an AAP Center or Lv 4 class compared to a regular school?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:More activities are available to AAP kids. Spelling bee, amc 8, amc10 etc. Makes a difference in resume when applying to TJ.


Just because a kid is in AAP does not necessarily mean they will end up at TJ. Also, just because a kid is in AAP does not necessarily mean they WANT to end up at TJ. Not all kids at AAP Centers apply to go to TJ.

More probability. Just look at tge stayistics for the past years.


A majority of students in AAP Centers in 8th grade do not become students at TJ.


no but most of the TJers were in AAP. It's pretty much necessary but not sufficient.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2013 17:15     Subject: What exactly is so much better/advanced at an AAP Center or Lv 4 class compared to a regular school?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
A majority of students in AAP Centers in 8th grade do not become students at TJ.


But a majority of students at TJ attended AAP Centers.

I think the ratio of acceptance is 1:3 in AAP as compared to 1:10 or 1:15 in non-AAP.
So, worth a try to get into AAP.


Is it AAP that increases the chance of getting in TJ or the fact that the type of students in an AAP Center is more likely to get into TJ? I think most of the students in AAP that get into TJ had a high chance of getting in regardless of whether they attended an AAP center or stayed in their home school. The stand out student will be a stand out student where ever he/she attends.


Sometimes it is hard to stand out in a gen ed for these kids. A boy in our base school was referred for disability screening and speech therapy in first grade. He received very high scores for COGAT but did not receive good teacher's ratings. At AAP, the same behaviors became NO ISSUE for the AAP teacher. He got 600 for English and Social studies SOL and near 600 for math.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2013 17:04     Subject: What exactly is so much better/advanced at an AAP Center or Lv 4 class compared to a regular school?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
A majority of students in AAP Centers in 8th grade do not become students at TJ.


But a majority of students at TJ attended AAP Centers.

I think the ratio of acceptance is 1:3 in AAP as compared to 1:10 or 1:15 in non-AAP.
So, worth a try to get into AAP.


Is it AAP that increases the chance of getting in TJ or the fact that the type of students in an AAP Center is more likely to get into TJ? I think most of the students in AAP that get into TJ had a high chance of getting in regardless of whether they attended an AAP center or stayed in their home school. The stand out student will be a stand out student where ever he/she attends.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2013 17:00     Subject: What exactly is so much better/advanced at an AAP Center or Lv 4 class compared to a regular school?
Well, when I was a kid in GE (nearly 40 years ago), I made tons of trouble for my teachers and they had to sit me FAR away at a corner from everybody else. To attract attention, I made even more trouble. Then our region started a GT program and I was put in there (all the teachers in my school did not want me to be in their classes so they all referred me). It only took me three days to figure out that I was behind 50 other kids academically from a 58 kids program. So I started to sit still and do my work. From my memory, I never caused any major problems for my parents, my teachers and counselors anymore (well, just talked to my mom and she disagreed with this statement ). I went to a great college at age 15.
I am a beneficiary of the program and I firmly believe that AAP can work wonders for many kids.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2013 16:48     Subject: What exactly is so much better/advanced at an AAP Center or Lv 4 class compared to a regular school?
But these kids were already smart, of course. It's difficult to separate out the effect of the AAP center from the effect of just being smart.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2013 16:25     Subject: What exactly is so much better/advanced at an AAP Center or Lv 4 class compared to a regular school?
Anonymous wrote:
A majority of students in AAP Centers in 8th grade do not become students at TJ.


But a majority of students at TJ attended AAP Centers.

I think the ratio of acceptance is 1:3 in AAP as compared to 1:10 or 1:15 in non-AAP.
So, worth a try to get into AAP.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2013 16:11     Subject: What exactly is so much better/advanced at an AAP Center or Lv 4 class compared to a regular school?

A majority of students in AAP Centers in 8th grade do not become students at TJ.


But a majority of students at TJ attended AAP Centers.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2013 15:57     Subject: What exactly is so much better/advanced at an AAP Center or Lv 4 class compared to a regular school?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:More activities are available to AAP kids. Spelling bee, amc 8, amc10 etc. Makes a difference in resume when applying to TJ.


Just because a kid is in AAP does not necessarily mean they will end up at TJ. Also, just because a kid is in AAP does not necessarily mean they WANT to end up at TJ. Not all kids at AAP Centers apply to go to TJ.

More probability. Just look at tge stayistics for the past years.


A majority of students in AAP Centers in 8th grade do not become students at TJ.

Your assumption based on no data!!!
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2013 15:47     Subject: What exactly is so much better/advanced at an AAP Center or Lv 4 class compared to a regular school?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:More activities are available to AAP kids. Spelling bee, amc 8, amc10 etc. Makes a difference in resume when applying to TJ.


Just because a kid is in AAP does not necessarily mean they will end up at TJ. Also, just because a kid is in AAP does not necessarily mean they WANT to end up at TJ. Not all kids at AAP Centers apply to go to TJ.

More probability. Just look at tge stayistics for the past years.


A majority of students in AAP Centers in 8th grade do not become students at TJ.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2013 15:37     Subject: What exactly is so much better/advanced at an AAP Center or Lv 4 class compared to a regular school?
I think we can all come up with an anecdote here or there that supports a particular child/situation where the child was just as fine in non AAP than AAP.

But let's not pretend that AAP is a waste of time, or ill conceived, or purposeless. It's a program that was designed to meet the needs of gifted students. On average, for most kids (not ALL of course), it will be a better experience for all the reasons that have been stated. Will it change the course of life for your child if you choose non AAP. Probably not.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2013 15:33     Subject: What exactly is so much better/advanced at an AAP Center or Lv 4 class compared to a regular school?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:More activities are available to AAP kids. Spelling bee, amc 8, amc10 etc. Makes a difference in resume when applying to TJ.


Just because a kid is in AAP does not necessarily mean they will end up at TJ. Also, just because a kid is in AAP does not necessarily mean they WANT to end up at TJ. Not all kids at AAP Centers apply to go to TJ.

More probability. Just look at tge stayistics for the past years.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2013 15:17     Subject: What exactly is so much better/advanced at an AAP Center or Lv 4 class compared to a regular school?
You're allotted an infinite amount of smugness to laud over your non-AAP center peers. Pretty much just that
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2013 15:11     Subject: Re:What exactly is so much better/advanced at an AAP Center or Lv 4 class compared to a regular scho
^^Our base school was not very good.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2013 15:08     Subject: Re:What exactly is so much better/advanced at an AAP Center or Lv 4 class compared to a regular scho
So much depends on your DC. For DS endlessly repeating things she had learned many grades ago was a waste of time and frustrating. In AAP he was more on his level and so were the other kids. The lessons could move along in a smooth way. The kids compete with each other and show that it can be done, and thus have other motivation than the teacher or the parents. It had a cumulative effect -- by the end of 6th grade he had a very good understanding of many subjects. It was a good experience for my DS.