Anonymous
Post 02/18/2013 10:18     Subject: Re:My precious Kindergarten snowflake

I keep reading in DCUM comments that are like this one: "there's so much research that suggests there are little or no real benefits from pushing academics too early." That may be true but it seems that a lot of people infer from this that if a child is reading at the 3-6th grade level in K or can read Frog and Toad by age 4 that it's the parents that are pushing them and that any child can have these skills if their parents pushed them.

I just want to point out that there is also a lot of research that shows that if your child can read by age 3-4 or reading several levels above grade level in K that she/he is is probably very smart/gifted. That isn't to say that if your child cannot read at this level at these ages she/he is not gifted as there are plenty of children who could be taught to read if pushed but are not. But NOT every child can be taught to read at an early age.

So the "pushing parents" may play a role but PP is wrong to state that that this is *the* "reason these children are so smart so young." The truth is children like OP's child ARE smart and in my opinion very lucky to have such involved parents.


I agree with this. The reality is that this area attracts a lot of very smart people. They have smart children. Educated parents read to their kids and will teach them things. This isn't pushing IMO, it just reading to a kid which isn't a bad thing to do. I think that some moms have mommy guilt if they don't have the time to do this and their kids are not reading early. They are the ones making snippy comments that parents need to stop pushing kids. These are also the parents who want to dumb down the curriculum or remove AP classes so their kid's don't feel bad and they don't feel guilty about it.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2013 10:09     Subject: My precious Kindergarten snowflake

Anonymous wrote:I keep reading in DCUM comments that are like this one: "there's so much research that suggests there are little or no real benefits from pushing academics too early." That may be true but it seems that a lot of people infer from this that if a child is reading at the 3-6th grade level in K or can read Frog and Toad by age 4 that it's the parents that are pushing them and that any child can have these skills if their parents pushed them.

I just want to point out that there is also a lot of research that shows that if your child can read by age 3-4 or reading several levels above grade level in K that she/he is is probably very smart/gifted. That isn't to say that if your child cannot read at this level at these ages she/he is not gifted as there are plenty of children who could be taught to read if pushed but are not. But NOT every child can be taught to read at an early age.

So the "pushing parents" may play a role but PP is wrong to state that that this is *the* "reason these children are so smart so young." The truth is children like OP's child ARE smart and in my opinion very lucky to have such involved parents.


I agree with this.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2013 10:00     Subject: My precious Kindergarten snowflake

I keep reading in DCUM comments that are like this one: "there's so much research that suggests there are little or no real benefits from pushing academics too early." That may be true but it seems that a lot of people infer from this that if a child is reading at the 3-6th grade level in K or can read Frog and Toad by age 4 that it's the parents that are pushing them and that any child can have these skills if their parents pushed them.

I just want to point out that there is also a lot of research that shows that if your child can read by age 3-4 or reading several levels above grade level in K that she/he is is probably very smart/gifted. That isn't to say that if your child cannot read at this level at these ages she/he is not gifted as there are plenty of children who could be taught to read if pushed but are not. But NOT every child can be taught to read at an early age.

So the "pushing parents" may play a role but PP is wrong to state that that this is *the* "reason these children are so smart so young." The truth is children like OP's child ARE smart and in my opinion very lucky to have such involved parents.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2013 06:36     Subject: My precious Kindergarten snowflake

Anonymous wrote:Op, I think you are expecting too much from K. My oldest is in third grade and I look back on kindergarten with nostalgia. I think the main purpose of K is to acclimate the kids to the routines and expectations and social requirements of elementary school. Many kids (both the most and least privileged segments) may never have experienced any kind of organized education before, and even for kids like mine who went to FT daycares or preschool prior to K, there are just huge changes and much more individual responsibility (no one supervises routine bathroom trips, navigating a paying cafeteria, adjusting to classroom norms and procedures...) Just save your academic expectations for first grade, and stop worrying about whether your 5yo is being adequately challenged. And yes, MCPS does provide challenges for all range of smart kids.

I'm trying hard to avoid snark here, especially since you are self-aware enough to mock your angst in your post title (I think that's what you meant, right?)! Really there is so much research that suggests there are little or no real benefits from pushing academics too early (read the red shirting threads on how they start elementary at 7yo in Finkand or something like that) - you should be glad her K year is going well, that she is not learning to hate school (like my active boy did) and that the testing mania hasn't yet begin. If she's reading chapter books and has parents who are engaged in her educational development, your daughter is going to be just fine.


I completely with this poster's perspective. A little injection of sanity in between the hand-wringers. There is a leveling effect that occurs in the later primary grades. The kindergarten students who seemed so "gifted" as compared to their peers suddenly aren't so gifted any longer. In fact, they even may be getting Bs. I've seen this time and again. The pushing parents who really emphasize the early literacy and gloat that their kids can read -- even if they can't understand the story -- challenging books are the reason these children are so smart so young. So yes, OP, relax and trust that your genius is doing just fine.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2013 06:57     Subject: My precious Kindergarten snowflake

OP, is your child happy at your school? If the answer is yes I wouldn't worry about it. If not, I would probably start "homeschooling" a bit in the afternoons/evenings and if your child continues to be advanced think about letting her skip a grade (please no attacks about how this is socially bad). My sister and I were both reading chapter books in K and since we have very different personalities we had very different reactions to the fact that they were still teaching letters in K back then. While I remember having a wonderful childhood because I could just focus on hanging out with my friends and doing no work at all while still getting straight As, my sister remembers being bored out of her mind and hating school. My parents ended up letting her skip a grade (she actually should have skipped more than one given her abilities) and she was much happier. We both ended up going to Ivy League schools and now have jobs we love. So I guess this is a long way of saying I think you should watch your DC's situation closely and that there's no one-size-fits-all solution.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2013 23:18     Subject: My precious Kindergarten snowflake

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Anonymous wrote:The videos used to really bug me too, but AFAIK they weren't every week, much less more than once a week.

I do think that K, especially the first half, is a lot about getting used to school more than achieving specific academic goals.


The videos are every week, sometimes more than that. Whenever recess is canceled for example, which has been happening more and more.


If the videos are in place of recess because they don't go out, then I'm all for it. Teachers lunch breaks, conferences, planning breaks, etc are during lunch and recess. They need that down time.


Teachers may need down time, but kids, especially boys, need running around time. And fresh air.


Great and what do you think they should do when it's pouring down raining out?


Umm what we did when we were in ES? Go to the gym and play dodge-ball or Red light, green light? And they stay in not just when it's pouring, but when it's chilly.


The issue is if another class is using the gym for PE (in many schools students' recess coincides with other student's special enrichment classes) This is an issue at my school on rainy days since the gym is in always in use. However we've found ways to compromise so that differen groups of students can share the space.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2013 23:14     Subject: My precious Kindergarten snowflake

I've seen videos used quite well in kindergarten. Students in Tools of the Mind Kindergarten watch videos (reading rainbow or other non-fictional videos) that relate to their curriculum to help build up background knowledge.