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Anonymous wrote:Wow, the number of PPs who think Go-Gurt is standard yogurt is pretty depressing. I've made both brownies and *plain whole* yogurt from scratch and there really is no contest in terms of sugar, but don't take my word for it:

Here are the stats on a serving of whole plain yogurt: http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-yogurt-plain-whole-milk-8-i1116?size_grams=113.0

Here are the stats on a standard brownie: http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-brownie-i21027

No one is arguing this. However this may be what you, the parent, are serving your child, this is not what most daycares will serve the children unless the parent brings it in. If you are going to rely on the daycare to provide the food, they are likely to use processed yogurt which includes fruit. Even the low-fat, fat-free, or "light" yogurts have a lot of added sugars. Very few daycares will serve plain whole yogurt made from scratch. You can't compare what a parent makes for a child to eat with what a daycare is likely to buy to serve unless you provide the snack yourself, in which case, it defeats the purpose of complaining about what the daycare is serving, since they aren't serving it to your child.

Other than dcum, I have never heard of anyone making yogurt from scratch.

My mom did, all the time. She also baked bread from scratch (no bread machine either), and I'm 32 so not that old.

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Anonymous wrote:I think any daycare that serves this type of processed food is absolutely ridiculous and should be shut down by the state. Our daycare actually grows its own organic garden - maintained and harvested by the children. Each day for snack time, the kids have to go out and harvest their snack for the day, and then make their way 'round to the barn and milk the hormone-free cow. One mother tried to send in pasteurized BOTTLED milk once - she was immediately asked to leave and was referred to social services.

Hehehe

The daycare my DC went to (in another state) had a CSA share and cook on staff. The kids had breakfast and lunch made from scratch, and they ate the veggies from the share. Of course, this was in a very liberal, hippy town so definitely not the norm

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs saying that brownies as a snack for 2 yo are totally fine have got to be trolls. Give me a break. No one thinks it's okay to give toddlers brownies as a regular "snack." As an occassional treat? Sure. In moderation. But come the fuck on, a brownie is not an appropriate snack. OP--if this is what they're serving your kid on a regular basis, I agree that you should send your own snacks and/or find a new daycare.

I make my kid black bean brownies and I sure as heck do serve them as a daily snack. They have little sugar and lots of fiber and iron. If you serve healthy option, like say, a snack dressed up to look like a brownie that is actually a healthier option, then why not?

Because you're not doing your kids any favors by showing them that brownies and cookies are snacks. They don't know that the brownie at the bakery isn't a black bean brownie. As they get older, their memory is that they at brownies as snacks. Better to get them to like black beans on their own and not disguised in food. I get why you'd do this--especially if you have picky eaters who need nutrients they aren't getting on their own--but I don't think it's a great idea to dress a snack up like a treat. I don't know your situation, so you may need to do this to get your kids the nutrients they need, but in general, I disagree with this approach.
Also, to address the OP's original question, I'm pretty sure her daycare isn't feeding them healthy, low-sugar, black bean brownies.

My goodness you are uptight about food! Are people actually like this in real life?

LOL not the people i know. The question to ask is, are people on DCUM REALLY this uptight? or do they make it appear this way just because they can hide their identity?

My in-home DCP serves whole plain yogurt with fresh fruit as the early afternoon snack almost everyday. In most countries, this is what is thought of as "yogurt" and I don't understand how so many PPs think this is an abnormal thing to serve a child. Why would a DCP serve a more expensive, sugary alternative?

My goodness people, you can BUY whole plain yogurt from the store. You don't have to make it form scratch to have sugar-free yogurt - it's cheap and right next to the candied stuff you're used to buying.

A DCP can just as easily get plain yogurt as they can get the sugar-filled stuff - AND it's cheaper. So don't say it's unreasonable to expect them to give non-candied yogurt to the kids. They can and they'd save by doing it.

And BTW - whole fat dairy is recommended for babies & toddlers, so that Dannon sugary kids stuff isn't healthier when you get the low fat option.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, the number of PPs who think Go-Gurt is standard yogurt is pretty depressing. I've made both brownies and *plain whole* yogurt from scratch and there really is no contest in terms of sugar, but don't take my word for it:

Here are the stats on a serving of whole plain yogurt: http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-yogurt-plain-whole-milk-8-i1116?size_grams=113.0

Here are the stats on a standard brownie: http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-brownie-i21027

No one is arguing this. However this may be what you, the parent, are serving your child, this is not what most daycares will serve the children unless the parent brings it in. If you are going to rely on the daycare to provide the food, they are likely to use processed yogurt which includes fruit. Even the low-fat, fat-free, or "light" yogurts have a lot of added sugars. Very few daycares will serve plain whole yogurt made from scratch. You can't compare what a parent makes for a child to eat with what a daycare is likely to buy to serve unless you provide the snack yourself, in which case, it defeats the purpose of complaining about what the daycare is serving, since they aren't serving it to your child.

Other than dcum, I have never heard of anyone making yogurt from scratch.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs saying that brownies as a snack for 2 yo are totally fine have got to be trolls. Give me a break. No one thinks it's okay to give toddlers brownies as a regular "snack." As an occassional treat? Sure. In moderation. But come the fuck on, a brownie is not an appropriate snack. OP--if this is what they're serving your kid on a regular basis, I agree that you should send your own snacks and/or find a new daycare.

I make my kid black bean brownies and I sure as heck do serve them as a daily snack. They have little sugar and lots of fiber and iron. If you serve healthy option, like say, a snack dressed up to look like a brownie that is actually a healthier option, then why not?

Because you're not doing your kids any favors by showing them that brownies and cookies are snacks. They don't know that the brownie at the bakery isn't a black bean brownie. As they get older, their memory is that they at brownies as snacks. Better to get them to like black beans on their own and not disguised in food. I get why you'd do this--especially if you have picky eaters who need nutrients they aren't getting on their own--but I don't think it's a great idea to dress a snack up like a treat. I don't know your situation, so you may need to do this to get your kids the nutrients they need, but in general, I disagree with this approach.
Also, to address the OP's original question, I'm pretty sure her daycare isn't feeding them healthy, low-sugar, black bean brownies.

My goodness you are uptight about food! Are people actually like this in real life?

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Because you're not doing your kids any favors by showing them that brownies and cookies are snacks. They don't know that the brownie at the bakery isn't a black bean brownie. As they get older, their memory is that they at brownies as snacks. Better to get them to like black beans on their own and not disguised in food. I get why you'd do this--especially if you have picky eaters who need nutrients they aren't getting on their own--but I don't think it's a great idea to dress a snack up like a treat. I don't know your situation, so you may need to do this to get your kids the nutrients they need, but in general, I disagree with this approach.

Assuming normal intelligence, just how long do you think it will be before your kids figure out that brownies and cookies are snacks or treats? You might keep a 2-year-old in the dark, but by the time s/he is four and having playdates, s/he will be firmly on the bandwagon!

Anonymous wrote:Wow, the number of PPs who think Go-Gurt is standard yogurt is pretty depressing. I've made both brownies and *plain whole* yogurt from scratch and there really is no contest in terms of sugar, but don't take my word for it:

Here are the stats on a serving of whole plain yogurt: http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-yogurt-plain-whole-milk-8-i1116?size_grams=113.0

Here are the stats on a standard brownie: http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-brownie-i21027

No one is arguing this. However this may be what you, the parent, are serving your child, this is not what most daycares will serve the children unless the parent brings it in. If you are going to rely on the daycare to provide the food, they are likely to use processed yogurt which includes fruit. Even the low-fat, fat-free, or "light" yogurts have a lot of added sugars. Very few daycares will serve plain whole yogurt made from scratch. You can't compare what a parent makes for a child to eat with what a daycare is likely to buy to serve unless you provide the snack yourself, in which case, it defeats the purpose of complaining about what the daycare is serving, since they aren't serving it to your child.

Wow, the number of PPs who think Go-Gurt is standard yogurt is pretty depressing. I've made both brownies and *plain whole* yogurt from scratch and there really is no contest in terms of sugar, but don't take my word for it:

Here are the stats on a serving of whole plain yogurt: http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-yogurt-plain-whole-milk-8-i1116?size_grams=113.0

Here are the stats on a standard brownie: http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-brownie-i21027

For those of you concerned that yogurt is too messy to serve at daycare, my DCP doesn't have a hard time managing it but if yours does, you can get re-useable squeeze packs and fill those yourself - Eco Baby Buys has the Little Green Pouch on sale right now. Alternatively, Infantino has the Fresh Squeeze line and you can pack those full of regular yogurt. Serve with a side of berries and you're got a great, no mess snack.

Anonymous wrote:Interesting difference from the recent thread on treats in lunch boxes where many posters felt that every child should have a sugary treat with lunch everyday. Posters who said they didn't said treats were told by others they had eating disorders, were overly controlling, and were going to have kids who had bad relationships with food. Basically many felt that sugary treat after lunch was an absolute necessity.

Everyone knows the snacks gets eaten first

Interesting difference from the recent thread on treats in lunch boxes where many posters felt that every child should have a sugary treat with lunch everyday. Posters who said they didn't said treats were told by others they had eating disorders, were overly controlling, and were going to have kids who had bad relationships with food. Basically many felt that sugary treat after lunch was an absolute necessity.

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Anonymous wrote:The PPs saying that brownies as a snack for 2 yo are totally fine have got to be trolls. Give me a break. No one thinks it's okay to give toddlers brownies as a regular "snack." As an occassional treat? Sure. In moderation. But come the fuck on, a brownie is not an appropriate snack. OP--if this is what they're serving your kid on a regular basis, I agree that you should send your own snacks and/or find a new daycare.

I make my kid black bean brownies and I sure as heck do serve them as a daily snack. They have little sugar and lots of fiber and iron. If you serve healthy option, like say, a snack dressed up to look like a brownie that is actually a healthier option, then why not?

Because you're not doing your kids any favors by showing them that brownies and cookies are snacks. They don't know that the brownie at the bakery isn't a black bean brownie. As they get older, their memory is that they at brownies as snacks. Better to get them to like black beans on their own and not disguised in food. I get why you'd do this--especially if you have picky eaters who need nutrients they aren't getting on their own--but I don't think it's a great idea to dress a snack up like a treat. I don't know your situation, so you may need to do this to get your kids the nutrients they need, but in general, I disagree with this approach.

Also, to address the OP's original question, I'm pretty sure her daycare isn't feeding them healthy, low-sugar, black bean brownies.

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't be happy having brownies as a regular menu item either. I'd ask about it and if they plan to continue, I'd send my own snacks instead - I think a parfait (whole plain yogurt + fresh fruit) is a much better option and just as easy to serve.

This is actually one of the reasons I prefer an in-home for smaller children. Our DCP cooks a fresh lunch for the kids every day and snacks are usually dairy + fruit or veggies and she asks the parents what we think before introducing a packaged item to the menu.

Very few daycare centers and many home daycares do not cook their meals and snacks. Many used prepared foods.

If you look at commercial products, your suggested snack is worse than the brownie. If you look at standard commercial yogurt parfaits, they run 23-28 g of sugar per 6 oz cup. If you make a box of package brownies (like Betty Crocker or Duncan Hines) and cut the pan into 20 pieces, there are only 16-18 g of sugar per brownie. And the calorie count? 180 for the brownie and 190 for the yogurt parfait...and that's the low-fat version. Most packaged yogurts and yogurt parfaits, etc add a lot of sugary syrup to the fruit that goes into the yogurt.

You really need to make your own and be assured what ingredients go into it to make sure that it's a healthy as you want.

If a home daycare is on the USDA food program, they are supposed to be making home made meals. Granted, I dont know any who make spaghetti sauce from scratch and other stuff. I use jarred spaghetti sauce and add meat and other things to my sauce. I use more frozen or fresh veggies rather than canned. I dont do any deli meats with my kids, and I cut hot dogs to a bare minimum (like maybe 1-2 times a month). There used to be a time the USDA food program allowed us to use things like hot dogs, fish sticks and chicken nuggets (like the frozen variety) but they have made a LOT of new changes including using more whole grains (spaghetti, rice, breads, etc). It took a little getting used to the difference, my kids could tell, but they are used to it now. I do most of my big cooking at night or weekends, so that all I have to do is warm it up for the kids the following day. This way my attention is not taken away from the kids while trying to cook a full meal. That is, for stuff I CAN do ahead.

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Not to mention that yogurt has just as much sugar as something like a small brownie...

I saw you post this earlier - are you talking about flavored yogurts? Plain yogurt does not have sugar - it may have carbohydrates that are listed as "sugar" on the nutritional label, but that doesn't mean cane sugar was added to the yogurt. I've made yogurt at home - it's just milk with enzymes.

Your kids actually eat plain, unflavored yogurt? Ick.