Anonymous wrote:20:54 -- what a racist. The majority of Asians do not test prep. Just because many of them might (I don't believe it is true for NNAt and Cogat) does not mean that it is a majority. That is a ridiculous statement that should not be able to stand without evidence. Got any? Not to many that Asian is a very broad group. I know there are Chinese schools for TJ but that is just one subset of Asian.

Not the OP, and not Asian, but I have a question: Isn't it an expected stereotype (not necessarily accurate for everyone, but understandable nonetheless) when in all these places you see for the most part Asian kids? When you research test prepping online, most of these places have information in Asian languages (and many are run by Asians). I understand that not all Asians prep, but to call the OP racist for stating that the stereotype of the Asian kid who preps for tests is expected because of such images, is really an unfair overreaction.

NNAT-160
VQN -99

Anonymous wrote:NNAT is given more weight, as it can't be prepped for like the CogAT. Apparently some of the CogAT prepping schools had a copy of actual test. This was determined when a stereotypical prepped student; asian, answered all the CogAT scores correctly, even though there were on 40 questions, the student answered 48. Obviously had memorized the answers. If you don't believe me, check this forum; this is where the story came from.

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This has to be the best post ever out of the endless AAP posts!

Official dcum urban legend. Because we all know that the most unbiased, non exagerated, honest information about AAP can be found right here on dcum.

Snort.

Because maybe the number was much lower than 132 and the realized that they really messed up and now 128 puts a kid at the 95, or maybe so many kids scored perfectly, or maybe missing 4 questions put you in the 50%.

NNAT is given more weight, as it can't be prepped for like the CogAT. Apparently some of the CogAT prepping schools had a copy of actual test. This was determined when a stereotypical prepped student; asian, answered all the CogAT scores correctly, even though there were on 40 questions, the student answered 48. Obviously had memorized the answers. If you don't believe me, check this forum; this is where the story came from.

It seems as though a 134-135 composite score for benchmark CoGat would be reasonable-they raised the benchmark to 132 last year from 130 the year before, and still had too large of a pool-but why the actual number cannot be released is beyond me.

Finally have the scores,nnat high 90's, cogat composite high 80's(verbal only 79). I am also surprised by my child's low verbal score. He is in the pool. What are the chances of getting selected for AAP? I hope the GBRS will be good. I fear that scores could be on the edge and is bit dicey. What do you all think? Can anyone shed light on how to do the parents questionnaire? I am not an expert at writing such documents.

20:54 -- what a racist. The majority of Asians do not test prep. Just because many of them might (I don't believe it is true for NNAt and Cogat) does not mean that it is a majority. That is a ridiculous statement that should not be able to stand without evidence. Got any? Not to many that Asian is a very broad group. I know there are Chinese schools for TJ but that is just one subset of Asian.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop stereotyping Asian kids on test prepping. My child is an Asian and we did not test prep him, and he did very well on both NNAT and CogNat.

Have you ever walked outside a Kumon or any other prep place? Have you seen the racial composition of the kids who attend such places? I am sorry if you are an exception, but it's not "stereotyping" if something is true for the majority of a population!

Wow. Just bc you see asians at a kumon doesn't mean that all the asians go there...there's a lot more to a whole population than what you see at a kumon. frankly, my dc has never done a kumon type class ever, but yes, math is incredibly important to us as a basic fundamental -- just like reading and spelling are, and exercise, and good friends, and good teachers. And really, there's a lot more asians around here than how many could fill up the kumons in nova. just wow.

Just bc you see Asians there, doesn't mean all the Asians do it... sorry but there are lots more to us than what you might see at kumon. My dc has never done kumon, but yes, math is very important to us, just like reading and spelling are, and good exercise, and good nutrition.

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/SATIQ.aspx
left out the chart from above I see

OK Im back
Again the average SAT score in the US is 1010 and the average IQ for those kids would be around 110 based on the chart referenced above.
The average SAT scores for all of fairfax county are 1120. Using the same chart, that makes the average IQ 118.54 (16SD) for fairfax county kids.
Assuming FCPS kids at the elementary level have that same margin against all of the US, then the average IQ for FCPS is 8.54 higher than all the US. I think this is a reasonable assumption that there would be a similar margin for the cogat test in elementary that there is for the SAT at the high school level.
Now looking back at the chart, find 95 percentile and the 15SD is 124.66 and 16SD is 126.31. Since it was determined FCPS is 8.54 points higher than the US average, just add 8.54 to 124.66 and 126.31. That puts the 95% threshold at somewhere between 133 and just under 135 if this years kids were on the old system.
If you want to know what your kids score would have been on the old system, just use the chart to find the percentile and add 8.54 to whatever the IQ score shows.

Anonymous wrote:Stop stereotyping Asian kids on test prepping. My child is an Asian and we did not test prep him, and he did very well on both NNAT and CogNat.

Have you ever walked outside a Kumon or any other prep place? Have you seen the racial composition of the kids who attend such places? I am sorry if you are an exception, but it's not "stereotyping" if something is true for the majority of a population!

Anonymous wrote:Wise one, let's just get the real numbers; fcps has them, so why hide them! I have an appt with cluster office in March and will ask for my kids real numbers, as I am entitled to such by law.

Anonymous wrote:I am not surprised. We spent a good bit of time prepping, my DC did quite well.

What did you specifically do to prep?