My experience is that it genuinely helps some people, but they all become UNBEARABLE for a while after attending.

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Anonymous wrote: and two different people - the co-worker I hardly knew and a PERFECT STRANGER - offered to loan me the money,.

This is unusual and is 100% discouraged at Landmark. And sometimes people offer to give their hard earned $ to others n life, it happens but it is not the approach or behaviour promoted at Landmark.

Anonymous wrote: People yelling at you so you have your "disguises" stripped away, then after ages of this kind of verbal use and you breaking down, strangers hug you and tell you that they love you.

This does not in any way sound like the Landmark Forum. It is not what happens in the course, ever. You may be thinking of some other group therapy kind of thing. No one is spoken to or approached or told what to do or yelled at in The Landmark Forum. Most people sit anonymously in their chair and never speak nor are spoken to. It is interactive for those who chose to raise their hands and interact and then it takes the form as any conversation might. It is at all times respectful and people love it

Thanks for the reply. =) But nope, it was Landmark. I'm crystal clear on that. =)

Anonymous wrote: and two different people - the co-worker I hardly knew and a PERFECT STRANGER - offered to loan me the money,.

This is unusual and is 100% discouraged at Landmark. And sometimes people offer to give their hard earned $ to others n life, it happens but it is not the approach or behaviour promoted at Landmark.

Anonymous wrote: People yelling at you so you have your "disguises" stripped away, then after ages of this kind of verbal use and you breaking down, strangers hug you and tell you that they love you.

This does not in any way sound like the Landmark Forum. It is not what happens in the course, ever. You may be thinking of some other group therapy kind of thing. No one is spoken to or approached or told what to do or yelled at in The Landmark Forum. Most people sit anonymously in their chair and never speak nor are spoken to. It is interactive for those who chose to raise their hands and interact and then it takes the form as any conversation might. It is at all times respectful and people love it

I've done all of landmark's courses and found them helpful. I never went in for marketing their program to people I knew, and you don't have to. I think landmark is as good a way as any to realize that there is nothing wrong with you.

A number of years back a co-worker made overtures of friendship and invited me to go to my first Landmark meeting with her her (she'd been going for a while). Now I'm a person open to all kinds of self-improvement experiences but I just found this cultish and overbearing. At the end of the meeting they tried to pinch me for $400 bucks to become a member or whatever it was. I declined and two different people - the co-worker I hardly knew and a PERFECT STRANGER - offered to loan me the money, that's how full court their press was. Some of the things this co-worker told me about her first group retreat were horrifying (though she didn't think so). People yelling at you so you have your "disguises" stripped away, then after ages of this kind of verbal use and you breaking down, strangers hug you and tell you that they love you. Very odd to me.

Also, this co-worker confided to me that she prided herself on the communication techniques that Landmark had taught her, it's why she felt that she was so effective in the office. What she didn't know was that many folks in the office thought her manipulative and phony. For instance, one time 2 days before Xmas break she came up to me with her ENORMOUS Rolodex - a lowly assistant at the time, not hers mind you, and said, "I'm desperate and I know YOU are the ONLY ONE with the ability to help me!" She wanted me to get all her biz and personal Xmas cards out in the next day and 1/2 and I guess she thought leading with "Only you can help me!" would cause me to puff up with pride and take on the task. Nope.

Don't do it.

Anonymous wrote:I'm the yoga poster (or one of them) and I won't give Lululemon any of my money either.

We get to choose where we spend out $

You and I might not shop at Lululemon but millions of people do and they are very happy with their choice.

Anonymous wrote:The paid employee of Landmark is not helping its reputation. Very defensive and crazy sounding.

"Crazy sounding"? How so? Please explain if you would.

I posted and expressed everything I wanted to say. I am not an employee. I just happen to own a computer and have an opinion, just like anyone else. This is the www.

I addressed some comments head on. Your attempt to marginalize and frame my opinions to forward your angle is see through. As if anyone who does not agree with you must be a shill or an employee or a plant or any other silly baseless label you can come up with.

The paid employee of Landmark is not helping its reputation. Very defensive and crazy sounding.

I'm the yoga poster (or one of them) and I won't give Lululemon any of my money either.

Anonymous wrote:It's for sheep... people are able to "discover how great people are" and better themselves w/o paying a groupthink leader to teach them how to do so. If you're going to pay someone to help out with this (and you should if you are motivated to make changes and be happy(ier)!) I suggest a yoga teacher or a therapist.

I experimented with al kinds of "therapy" when i was 16 years old, dealing with garden variety teenage concerns and problems, nothing extraordinary. One therapist immediately prescribed meds before they even knew me or asked me 3 questions, I dumped them promptly, the other was great and we talked for hours over the course of a year and there was very little or no growth or development - i just had a great friend/therapist to talk with each week, it cost my parents a small fortune. In The Landmark Forum, I changed my life in 3 days and for $one payment of 600 bucks, it was amazing. After those 3 days I suddenly started talking to girls where before I never did (very important to a young man) , I started talking with my parents and sharing with them the things that concerned me most, where before I thought they were just jerks who wanted to control me and I began to create a purpose for myself and my life and recognizing myself as someone who mattered and recognizing other people as people who mattered.

I began to think for myself for the first time instead of walking around like a resentful passive aggressive teen zombie who had no say in life, and was a victim of every force in the world.

There was no "group think" in the landmark forum or I would have got the hell out of there. People in my course did ask the Landmark Forum leader what they should do and say, and the Landmark Forum leader always said some version of "how should I know"? "I have no clue what you should do or say in YOUR life, I barely know what to do or say in my life". Anyone who was in an actual landmark forum would know that there is nothing to believe or buy into in the seminar.

Yoga? Look up Lululemon and Landmark Education.

Anonymous wrote:My friend and her husband did it. They decided to open their marriage. they shared a gilfriend for awhile. My friend (the wife) ended up having numerous affairs that she told her husband about and he just had that one girl. They are divorced now. he is, of course, with the girlfriend and she left her entire family in the states to move to another hemisphere to be with a man she met on a plane. So yes, it can be transforming.

millions of people pass through landmark's doors. Landmark does not tell anyone what to do or how to live or not live. You can pick one case that sounds extreme and present it out of context and say THAT is Landmark. It maybe. But there are also millions of people living extraordinary lives and living in a way and making choices you might approve of and admire. You can find whatever you are looking for in our world. There is never a shortage of evidence to invalidate anything or make anything sound great. What evidence people choose to buy into just tells you where they are at, not necessarily about the thing they are talking about. That would go for both pro and con landmark proponents. I had a good experience so obviously I am going to only look at the pile of evidence that promotes that point of view. We all have to choose for ourselves.

This goes for anything in life.

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Anonymous wrote:In life people do not mind being enthusiastic about the latest Tarantino film where people die by the hundreds and lots of cool lines are spoken by our favourite celebs of the day but if someone is enthusiastic about a life changing 3 day course well of course it is a cult.

No, there are actually a lot of reasons why I'd call it a cult and they have nothing to do with people being enthusiastic about the course. I have many friends who actually attended the course and so I have formed my opinion after talking to them as well as reading.

You do not even know what a so called "cult" is. "Cult" is just an internet buzz word one group used to invalidate or cast doubt on another group. All of a sudden everyone has PHD's in what "brainwashing" is and what a "cult is. Hogwash. The internet and TV has left left people self appointing themselves as experts (in their own minds only) with important opinions about everything, again (in their own minds only).

What people fail to see is that their convenient self serving definition of "cult" applies to almost everything. It applies to families, businesses, all religions, the military, endless community groups.

Landmark Education and the millions of customers who have passed through their doors are not a "cult". If you research what actual cult experts, real experts, not people running an internet business from it like Rick Ross, but actual experts, they say it is not a cult. Fortune 500 companies have used Landmark's services, nuns, ministers, lay people and clergy have done the landmark forum, grandmothers, the LA police department, and countless special interest groups have done it. And for me most importantly, I have done it and most of the people I know went through it years ago, most never went back, and most people got value and say it was the best thing they ever did.

My friend and her husband did it. They decided to open their marriage. they shared a gilfriend for awhile. My friend (the wife) ended up having numerous affairs that she told her husband about and he just had that one girl. They are divorced now. he is, of course, with the girlfriend and she left her entire family in the states to move to another hemisphere to be with a man she met on a plane. So yes, it can be transforming.

Landmark uses brain-washing techniques like those described above. They also are very long leading to fatigue and sleep-deprivation. The allow limited food, water, and potty as well leading to an altered state when people can be more suseptable to suggestion.

She just said so! She went to an intro. I have a good friend that's involved with the forum and she's constantly pushing it on me. She uses all their language so much that its hard to understand her. They really do work hard at getting new recruits.