you need guns to cure hiccups.

By Jeff Black, Staff Writer, NBC News
A 22-year-old Fort Hood, Texas, soldier was shot in the face and died after what prosecutors say was an attempt by a fellow soldier to cure the victim’s hiccups.
Patrick Edward Myers, of Spartansburg, S.C., was charged with manslaughter in the case and remains in the Bell County Jail on $1 million bond, according to a news release from the Killeen, Texas, police.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/25/14098468-soldier-allegedly-shoots-friend-while-trying-to-cure-victims-hiccups?lite

Anonymous wrote:

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I assume that most writers on this site are mommies or daddies.

Jeff will probably weigh in on this shortly, but this forum was invaded by a number of pro-gun freakazoids shortly after Sandy Hook. I think some of them are still hanging around and might not be "mommies or daddies."

I'm a pro-gun 'freakazoid' and have three kids.

Do you keep a Bushmaster AR-15 or similar weapons and high capacity magazines in your home?

If my kid went to your kid's for a playdate I would worry that while you were down organizing the basement or whatever, your 7 year old would take my 7 year old into your walk in closet to impress him by showing him a real gun. It would only take a couple minutes. If your gun is locked up high, with the ammo in another place, how would it be available to you in case of an intruder? This is why people keep a loaded gun in their nightstand.

My son has a locking blade pocketknife. He loves that thing. He is not allowed to use it without an adult right next to him because it is really sharp. Just before Christmas, he had his classmate over. I went down to the basement to move some laundry to the dryer. I folded for a few minutes. I went upstairs to check on the boys. I was horrified to see the other boy cutting a hole in a large cardboard box with the pocketknife. My son had retrieved the pocketknife from my closet and given it to the other boy. They were creating a fort with cutouts to see out of.

I felt so lucky the boys had not been hurt. It happened so fast, and my son disobeyed by retrieving the knife without me. I was surprised, he is very obedient, but he wanted to impress his friend.

You could say that I should have had the knife locked up or high up. Yet we have lots of unsecured kitchen knives, matches on a high shelf, but they could be retrieved with a chair, etc. I had the knife in a high drawer in my closet, it is only 2 inches long anyway. I did not think something like that would happen.

Or the NM 15 year old who just shot up his whole family using guns dad bought from a friend. Legally. And taught him how to shoot.

Anonymous wrote:And don't miss that special ending to this story -- the dad rushed home, STILL not having called the police (despite obviously having a cell phone .. and his wife in the car with him?) and shot the wounded criminal again, twice. Got his kids out of the house and only THEN called the cops.

You want to talk about f*ucking NUTS? Teach your kids when someone's busting down the door to get the hell out of the house and call the freaking' cops! This "run upstairs and hide out with a gun" crap is NUTS.

Leaving 4 kids home alone with easy access to a gun is really a bad idea. Especially leaving a 14 year old with delusions of being "Dirty Harry".

Yeah, and also what about when the 14 year old gets really really mad at mom and dad because video games were taken away for a week or whatever? adolescent males have rage and strong feelings that they don't know how to manage. some listen to metal, some run 5 miles, and some, who know where a gun is, lose it and shoot people.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I assume that most writers on this site are mommies or daddies.

Jeff will probably weigh in on this shortly, but this forum was invaded by a number of pro-gun freakazoids shortly after Sandy Hook. I think some of them are still hanging around and might not be "mommies or daddies."

I'm a pro-gun 'freakazoid' and have three kids.

Do you keep a Bushmaster AR-15 or similar weapons and high capacity magazines in your home?

question for responsible gun owning parents:

What do you think the appropriate punishment should be for the mom of this boy?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/18/nyregion/gun-found-in-childs-backpack-at-queens-elementary-school.html?hp&_r=1&

How long a prison term should she have to serve? If no prison, should she ever be allowed to have access to a gun, again?

And don't miss that special ending to this story -- the dad rushed home, STILL not having called the police (despite obviously having a cell phone .. and his wife in the car with him?) and shot the wounded criminal again, twice. Got his kids out of the house and only THEN called the cops.

You want to talk about f*ucking NUTS? Teach your kids when someone's busting down the door to get the hell out of the house and call the freaking' cops! This "run upstairs and hide out with a gun" crap is NUTS.

Leaving 4 kids home alone with easy access to a gun is really a bad idea. Especially leaving a 14 year old with delusions of being "Dirty Harry".

Anonymous wrote:

It happened in June. If you click on the Fox link the blogger put in the post, you will see it links to a June article. The blogger(s) reposted it in December in light of the BS that's been thrown around since Sandy Hook.

Yeah, but the story is being passed around now as if it happened in December. Just weird, that's all. No one is saying, "remember this story that happened last summer?" It's almost as if this story is being dredged up because gun eNthUsiasTs need more stories of successful home defense to bolster support for guns in the home.

A kid who would shoot a retreating person could also hurt other, innocent kids, with a gun. THat kind of kid troubles me, to be honest.

Anonymous wrote:LOL - you are questioning a kid calling his father and are questioning whether or not he needed to shoot because the guy was retreating down the stairs? Do you know what this guy had in mind AFTER HE BROKE INTO THE HOUSE? No. Neither did the kid. The intruder was ARMED to boot.

It happened in June. If you click on the Fox link the blogger put in the post, you will see it links to a June article. The blogger(s) reposted it in December in light of the BS that's been thrown around since Sandy Hook.

Holy f*ck you guys are NUTS!

Yes, I VERY MUCH am questioning why people with guns call their dads or husbands first, instead of calling the police, first. It's almost like they don't want to give police a chance to handle the situation; or they have some "rugged individualist" mentality. I have a gun, therefore I'm gonna take care of this myself.

And I do question a kid who shoots a retreating intruder, yes, I very much do. Someone who would shoot someone who is retreating, who hasn't even bothered to call 911 (but obviously had access to a phone, b/c he called his dad?) clearly does not have the maturity to have access to a gun.

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Anonymous wrote:And those who say they need guns, any guns, for personal protection against intruders? I question them as well. Because anyone I know with guns (and I only know a few) has them all locked up in their home, especially with young children around. So, the armed boogie man who breaks into their home in the middle of the night would have the jump on them. By the time they woke up, got the combination lock box off the high shelf, opened, retrieved gun and loaded...they could have called 911 and had the cops arrive.

You don't sound like someone who's ever been robbed. We've never owned a gun and doubt we'll purchase one, but after a family member was recently burglarized, I can see why many people feel the need for that protection. There can be quite a gap of time between that 911 call and the arrival of help. Since burglars are often "young men" who aren't kind, thoughtful, and easily persuaded to leave peacefully, it's scary to think about how best to make sure your family is safe when they enter your home.

HA!

I knew a guy who was burglarized while he was asleep and they stole HIS gun!

He should be thankful he didn't wake up because they wouldn't have wanted him to be able to identify them.

Anonymous wrote:Who's gonna pay for it? Locals beg for federal help because the feds keep the states hostage by having the money funnel to them. Saw that with Sandy/Christie

Really, who's going to pay for it? But the proposal on the table from the NRA is to put police in every school.

I'm pretty sure the salary of the ATFE Director is already in the budget. We've had one before the House changed the rules six years ago and required Senate confirmation for what is not a cabinet-level position.

Who's gonna pay for it? Locals beg for federal help because the feds keep the states hostage by having the money funnel to them. Saw that with Sandy/Christie

The locals said thusly: "We owe the FBI and our other law enforcement partners our thanks that they caught this man, with 18 firearms – some of them assault weapons – high–capacity magazines, more than 40,000 rounds of ammunition, and a bulletproof vest stored in a locked room in a mall, before anyone was hurt."

Compare that to Wayne LaPierre, who called federal agents "jack-booted thugs."

We need an ATF director, and more agents, because background checks are not being properly processed and checked for errors. And because right now gun dealers and their records can only be inspected every 17 years because there are only 2,000 ATF agents who are carrying out this mission. It's ATF's mission; I'm not sure why the FBI was involved other than the incompetent underfunded locals pleading for federal help to deal with this freakazoid. But ATFE is assisting in the prosecution according to the press release.

Oh, and please note...the FBI did its job. Why do we need more layers of government again?