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Anonymous wrote:What happend to personal accountability? I know I am old school where you are responsible for your own actions and hardwork gets you ahead. .. Those days are gone. I am late 40s and have paid for my own birth control since college ... Didnt rely on the govt or my boyfriend. I knew my actions would directly impact my life and made choices accordingly.

Personal accountability is not the standard by which public policy is decided. If it were, the government would not provide vaccinations (which it does if you didn't know), there would be no public school (because you'd take responsibility for your children's education, right), no food stamps, no federal education loans, heck, no police or firefighters or judicial system. Instead, there is a cost/benefit calculation that is done. Is the benefit so overwhelming that the cost is worth it? I think in the case of birth control, the case is yes.

Ok, let's reiterate this. "Personal accountability" is a giant red herring argument from Republicans who are just feeding meat to their brain-dead constituents. They know full well how public policy works and they don't care.

Anonymous wrote:There no hate. It's simply common sense. I can get pregnant, therefore it's my responsibility not to get pregnant.

Treatment for an STD is disease treatment. Pregnancy is not a disease. Treatment for ED is a treatment for physical dysfunction. Pregnancy is not a dysfunction.

I didn't call it a crime, I am questioning why I am being forced to pay for someone else's choices.

Birth control doesn't treat pregnancy.

Maybe we should stop covering OB services. After all, a woman chooses to get pregnant, so why should I have to pay for that? Women have been having babies on dirt floors with country midwives for thousands of years, so that must be good enough.

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Anonymous wrote:90% of men and women have sex before marriage.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16287113/ns/health-sexual_health/t/even-grandma-had-premarital-sex-survey-finds/#.UOGZorTR319

It's time to stop pretending that this is about self-control. I really want to hear the "spreading her legs" poster tell us that HE was a virgin before marriage.

It was a female who wrote this post and while I wasn't a virgin, I paid for my own birth control and did not get pregnant. I also did not randomly have sex, and when I did, it was with someone who was taking responsibility for his own life. In other words, I made good choices. I understood that I, as a woman, could get pregnant, and didn't treat that lightly.

Where self-control came in, is in making good choices.

Look, I don't treat pregnancy lightly either. I pay for my own birth control and I am very careful about using it properly. I consider the possibility of unintended pregnancy when choosing my partners.

However, I support universal birth control for many reasons:

1. Many women do not have access to the education, resources, and health insurance that I do. Making birth control widely available will help to fill in that gap.
2. Birth control is best for the greater good. It is much cheaper [for taxpayers] to fund birth control rather than unintended pregnancies and social services for those children.
3. Birth control is widely used to mitigate a variety of medical problems.
4. Focusing on "self-control" is just another way of demeaning women and trying to control their sexuality.

I knew that's what you meant, OP, FWIW.

Anonymous wrote:What happend to personal accountability? I know I am old school where you are responsible for your own actions and hardwork gets you ahead. .. Those days are gone. I am late 40s and have paid for my own birth control since college ... Didnt rely on the govt or my boyfriend. I knew my actions would directly impact my life and made choices accordingly.

OP again. I am responsible. I pay for my own insurance, because it isn't offered through my job. My birth control isn't covered by my insurance, so I pay $60/month for it. I don't expect a handout and that wasn't what I meant to ask. A friend recently said that birth control was going to be free, and I thought she was very misinformed, so I came here to ask.

Should have known the post would turn into a shit-storm, but I didn't mean for it to.

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Anonymous wrote:Free now, no co pays. Exemptions are very limited to catholic institutions like hospitals and universities.

And by free, I mean other premiums will be going up to pay for it.

Don't see why. BC=fewer babies. 9 months of obstetrics + Labor and Delivery does not come cheap.

Very good point, you would think this would be incentive enough for a gal to be a tad more careful, or buck up and be the responsible adult society would appreciate she be.

Yes, because we all know how women get themselves pregnant.

Tell me, do I pay more in insurance premiums for your Viagra to be covered, or not ? I would like to know and, if so, I want that repealed. I think that if your dick no longer works, that's TS and all of America should not have to pay more in premiums just so that you can experience sexual pleasure.

After all, birth control saves money. Us funding your continued sexual pleasure, what does that " save " society in dollars ?

Viagra isn't free dipshit. Something that's covered means it's reimbursable to a certain degree, we're talking about free BC.

It's not free, but it is HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED. BC is a hell of a lot cheaper.

Most of the women who would need the coverage are fairly young, so overall, they probably lower the rates for the other customers.

There no hate. It's simply common sense. I can get pregnant, therefore it's my responsibility not to get pregnant.

Treatment for an STD is disease treatment. Pregnancy is not a disease. Treatment for ED is a treatment for physical dysfunction. Pregnancy is not a dysfunction.

I didn't call it a crime, I am questioning why I am being forced to pay for someone else's choices.

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So I'm supposed to mind my own business when person A has sex with person B, but I'm supposed to pay for it as well?

Does a woman have a choice as to whether or not she has sex or with whom? Outside of rape, yes.

Your writing is so hate filled that I struggle to understand what you are trying to say.
We are talking about health insurance coverage. And yes, costs are covered by premiums, so your premium pays for someones medical care when they need treatment for an std, and for men to get viagre. You are not paying for someone to have any kind of sexual relations with anyone, coverage just includes the cost of contraceptives. And I do not know why you think that is a crime.
Perhaps you were raised inside a barrel? You need to live, that would make you less judgemental. World is now for everyone, and so is healthcare.

Anonymous wrote:90% of men and women have sex before marriage.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16287113/ns/health-sexual_health/t/even-grandma-had-premarital-sex-survey-finds/#.UOGZorTR319

It's time to stop pretending that this is about self-control. I really want to hear the "spreading her legs" poster tell us that HE was a virgin before marriage.

It was a female who wrote this post and while I wasn't a virgin, I paid for my own birth control and did not get pregnant. I also did not randomly have sex, and when I did, it was with someone who was taking responsibility for his own life. In other words, I made good choices. I understood that I, as a woman, could get pregnant, and didn't treat that lightly.

Where self-control came in, is in making good choices.

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Anonymous wrote:Women are the ones who can get pregnant. Biology and all that. Whether or not she can't do it alone is of no matter. Unless she is raped, she is the one who spread her legs so the responsibility ultimately is hers, like it or not. That's simply reality. Asking someone else to pay for that responsibility, when she had a choice to begin with, is ridiculous, because what you really are telling people to pay for, is a woman's right to have sex wherever and with whomever she wants.

So I'm supposed to mind my own business when person A has sex with person B, but I'm supposed to pay for it as well?

Grow up, the age of the dinosours is over. They have fossilized.
This is a mans issue. A man does not want to pay child suupport for the rest of his working years just because it is his duty to go and sow his wild seed. Sow and not reap. Yet you say the woman should reap?

Does a woman have a choice as to whether or not she has sex or with whom? Outside of rape, yes.

90% of men and women have sex before marriage.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16287113/ns/health-sexual_health/t/even-grandma-had-premarital-sex-survey-finds/#.UOGZorTR319

It's time to stop pretending that this is about self-control. I really want to hear the "spreading her legs" poster tell us that HE was a virgin before marriage.

Anonymous wrote:Women are the ones who can get pregnant. Biology and all that. Whether or not she can't do it alone is of no matter. Unless she is raped, she is the one who spread her legs so the responsibility ultimately is hers, like it or not. That's simply reality. Asking someone else to pay for that responsibility, when she had a choice to begin with, is ridiculous, because what you really are telling people to pay for, is a woman's right to have sex wherever and with whomever she wants.

So I'm supposed to mind my own business when person A has sex with person B, but I'm supposed to pay for it as well?

Grow up, the age of the dinosours is over. They have fossilized.
This is a mans issue. A man does not want to pay child suupport for the rest of his working years just because it is his duty to go and sow his wild seed. Sow and not reap. Yet you say the woman should reap?

Anonymous wrote:Women are the ones who can get pregnant. Biology and all that. Whether or not she can't do it alone is of no matter. Unless she is raped, she is the one who spread her legs so the responsibility ultimately is hers, like it or not. That's simply reality. Asking someone else to pay for that responsibility, when she had a choice to begin with, is ridiculous, because what you really are telling people to pay for, is a woman's right to have sex wherever and with whomever she wants.

So I'm supposed to mind my own business when person A has sex with person B, but I'm supposed to pay for it as well?

The courts say otherwise. That's a fact.

And birth control IS taking responsibility.

Lastly, your good Christian women are all having sex, too. They just end up having more babies before they are ready. And WE pay for them.

Sorry but once again, WERE YOU A VIRGIN UNTIL MARRIAGE? Yes or No, it's a simple question and a good test of your sincerity.

Oooh, can I play Sandra Fluke for today? Hormonal "birth control" is prescribed for a lot of other medical reasons besides actual birth control.