Anonymous
Post 11/30/2012 12:25     Subject: Re:Pro Choice Advocates
Anonymous wrote:I'll let you do all that as it sounds like you are far more passionate about it than I. Safe and legal first tri abortions are pretty widely available in the US; I've lived in places where they are not.


Are you aware that the Virginia Attorney General strong-armed our board of health into closing HALF of our abortion clinics this year on the pretense of not having hospital-grade hallways, parking spaces, and water fountains?

Please don't blythely tell us to get our abortions early and often when your party is doing all it can to prevent that.
Anonymous
Post 11/30/2012 10:22     Subject: Re:Pro Choice Advocates
Anonymous wrote:I'll let you do all that as it sounds like you are far more passionate about it than I. Safe and legal first tri abortions are pretty widely available in the US; I've lived in places where they are not.


Ah, so uninterested in finding out since it won't confirm your preconceived notions. Got it.
Anonymous
Post 11/30/2012 08:21     Subject: Re:Pro Choice Advocates
Anonymous wrote:I'll let you do all that as it sounds like you are far more passionate about it than I. Safe and legal first tri abortions are pretty widely available in the US; I've lived in places where they are not.


Except in places like Mississippi. There is only one clinic and it is being regulated out of business.


http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/28/us/mississippi-abortion-clinic/index.html
Anonymous
Post 11/30/2012 06:47     Subject: Re:Pro Choice Advocates
I'll let you do all that as it sounds like you are far more passionate about it than I. Safe and legal first tri abortions are pretty widely available in the US; I've lived in places where they are not.
Anonymous
Post 11/29/2012 18:09     Subject: Re:Pro Choice Advocates
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I do find it weird that technology has helped so many premature babies to be viable and thrive, of the same gestation age or younger than fetuses can be excised via partial-birth abortion. Anyone else find that overlap uncomfortable?


Not really. I have a lot of ethical questions about what "viability" and "thriving" actually are; for every 23 week preemie that is a "success" story, there are how many who end up with a quality of life that not many of us would choose. Moreover, second tri abortions aren't very common. If they make you uncomfortable, be aware that there is some evidence that barriers to first tri abortions increase the amount of second term abortions.


They make me incredibly uncomfortable. When babies are capable of yawning and cuddling and kissing (twins) in the womb, I don't see crushing their heads to pull them out without being uncomfortable. Barriers to abortion are so minimal in this country, unless you are underage I suppose. If that is what is increasing the amount of second term abortions, I respect that person less. I do think first tri abortions should be legal, the earlier the better-ie day after pill.


This study found the exact opposite of what you're claiming. http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/j.contraception.2011.10.012.pdf

Have some empathy for your fellow women - many of whom seeking second trimester abortions have difficult lives. Investigate barriers to abortion where you live. As I have no idea where you live, I'm not going to look up all the ridiculous red tape for all fifty states. Then get active in contacting the anti-choice and pro-choice communities, as well as your local and state authories, there and let them know you want better access to first trimester abortions, as well as increased social services for women who would like to continue their pregnancy but lack the resources to do so.
Anonymous
Post 11/29/2012 17:29     Subject: Re:Pro Choice Advocates
I do think first tri abortions should be legal, the earlier the better-ie day after pill.


The morning-after pill is not abortion.

Barriers to abortion are so minimal in this country, unless you are underage I suppose.


Totally depends on the state.

If that is what is increasing the amount of second term abortions, I respect that person less.


This makes no sense whatsoever.
Anonymous
Post 11/29/2012 17:19     Subject: Re:Pro Choice Advocates
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I do find it weird that technology has helped so many premature babies to be viable and thrive, of the same gestation age or younger than fetuses can be excised via partial-birth abortion. Anyone else find that overlap uncomfortable?


Not really. I have a lot of ethical questions about what "viability" and "thriving" actually are; for every 23 week preemie that is a "success" story, there are how many who end up with a quality of life that not many of us would choose. Moreover, second tri abortions aren't very common. If they make you uncomfortable, be aware that there is some evidence that barriers to first tri abortions increase the amount of second term abortions.


They make me incredibly uncomfortable. When babies are capable of yawning and cuddling and kissing (twins) in the womb, I don't see crushing their heads to pull them out without being uncomfortable. Barriers to abortion are so minimal in this country, unless you are underage I suppose. If that is what is increasing the amount of second term abortions, I respect that person less. I do think first tri abortions should be legal, the earlier the better-ie day after pill.
Anonymous
Post 11/29/2012 14:48     Subject: Pro Choice Advocates
Anonymous wrote:So we make an exception for the life of the mother. That position is entirely consistent with pro-life beliefs. It is a monumental rarity that the life of the child/fetus/zygote actually poses a risk to the mother. But even the Pope would agree that a mother is not required to risk her life in order to give birth.

But hey...the fact that millions of babies in this country have been aborted because a pregnancy is inconvenient, that is OK with you guys. Whatever.

Here's this too, an actual majority of those babies are racial minorities. So this great champion of the underclass, Planned Parenthood, has a program in place that disparately targets for death little Afican American and minority babies. Yeah, it is the conservatives that are racists.

I'm done talking with you. This is not a productive conversation for either of us. You can assume I'm afraid to engage you and you hear the "crickets". Its actually that it is boring.

Signed,
An Anti Choicer


No, I am not "OK with that". I can continue to hate the abortion but believe it must remain legal. What I pro actively do is try to PREVENT ABORTIONS. Sex ed, ubiquitous birth control, social programs to encourage people to keep their children (and be able to thrive by doing so). End abortion today! Support real "Pro Life" policies.

Signed, a Pro Choicer