Anonymous wrote:Ten years would have been fine. Unfettered sentencing on the high end seems out of control. And I agree the crime was horrible.

They will appeal. And maybe the sentence will be reduced.

Ten years would have been fine. Unfettered sentencing on the high end seems out of control. And I agree the crime was horrible.

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Anonymous wrote:I truly believe that making birth control and abortions free and available on demand would greatly reduce these terrible situations.

I don't. Both birth control and abortions, even if paid "out of pocket" are cheaper than the cost of raising a child. Now, if you tell me that eliminating any type of cash welfare benefits + providing a financial benefit for relinquishing HEALTHY (not born drug/alcohol addicted) infants for adoption would greatly reduce these situations...THAT I would believe.

That is already happening. Prospective parents pay birth mother expenses. And that can include the strangest things
Please do not insinuate that people who give up their kids are potential future chid murderers and torturers

Anonymous wrote:I truly believe that making birth control and abortions free and available on demand would greatly reduce these terrible situations.

In some cases, yes. But there are a lot of young girls who don't have the first clue how the demands of being a mother will affect them. They have a glamorized sense of what having babies is all about. Birth control and abortion on demand, sadly, won't help in these cases.

Anyone under the age of 20 with more than two kids by two different dads, should be paid to get sterilized. And make it a lot, like $20,000. Tweak it anyway you like, but there needs to be a financial incentive to get these people to stop breeding and costing taxpayers millions over their lifetimes.

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Anonymous wrote:I truly believe that making birth control and abortions free and available on demand would greatly reduce these terrible situations.

I don't. Both birth control and abortions, even if paid "out of pocket" are cheaper than the cost of raising a child. Now, if you tell me that eliminating any type of cash welfare benefits + providing a financial benefit for relinquishing HEALTHY (not born drug/alcohol addicted) infants for adoption would greatly reduce these situations...THAT I would believe.

Some states allow financial benefits for adopting out healthy children. Often the parents take the money/housing and other "gifts" and then don't place the baby or make it a career and keep having kids for those "benefits." That is not how to encourage adoption even though at the surface it sounds like a good idea. Adoption is far more complicated than that.

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Anonymous wrote:I truly believe that making birth control and abortions free and available on demand would greatly reduce these terrible situations.

I don't. Both birth control and abortions, even if paid "out of pocket" are cheaper than the cost of raising a child. Now, if you tell me that eliminating any type of cash welfare benefits + providing a financial benefit for relinquishing HEALTHY (not born drug/alcohol addicted) infants for adoption would greatly reduce these situations...THAT I would believe.

Ok, but your argument fails here: 16 year old girl gets pregnant. She's poor. She's never known what regular family life is like. An abortion at Planned Parenthood is $400, give or take. What sounds more immediately surmountable to her- going through the pregnancy, figuring it out once the baby comes? Or coming up with $400? Who's around to give her sound advice on how hard her life will be once the baby comes? And let's face it, if you don't really plan to stop partying, drinking, drugging and going out and expect the baby to just fend for itself, like many of these young, uneducated, underprivileged mothers do, what sounds so hard about mothering anyway? You are applying middle/upper class logic to a situation where it cannot possibly exist.

Anonymous wrote:I truly believe that making birth control and abortions free and available on demand would greatly reduce these terrible situations.

I don't. Both birth control and abortions, even if paid "out of pocket" are cheaper than the cost of raising a child. Now, if you tell me that eliminating any type of cash welfare benefits + providing a financial benefit for relinquishing HEALTHY (not born drug/alcohol addicted) infants for adoption would greatly reduce these situations...THAT I would believe.

Anonymous wrote:I truly believe that making birth control and abortions free and available on demand would greatly reduce these terrible situations.

+1

Anonymous wrote:I watched the testimony of the mom on the stand. It was terrible. Apparently her mom was abusive to her as a child.

What I do think is terrible, is it appeared that the mom knew what she was doing was wrong and likely need help to stop but of course that can't happen. There is no one to call and say "hey I kick my kid constantly and slap her and I want to stop. Can I get help?" bc as soon as that happens, CPS takes the kids.

If this were true, I find it hard to believe that the court would release the child to the custody of the grandmother who supposedly abused the mother. That sounds pretty strange to me, but then I'm not a lawyer and there's probably some twisted insane loophole that binds the judge/courts hands in preventing this second tragedy-to-be.

I truly believe that making birth control and abortions free and available on demand would greatly reduce these terrible situations.

And then she gets to live with the woman who raised her mother/attacker, and also pleaded for leniency for her mother/attacker.

These kids should be moved far, far away from this "family".