Anonymous
10/13/2012 08:10
Subject: Do all schools "counsel out" students? Are certain schools more likely to do this?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:... Fast forward 3 years and that high WPPSI scoring child is now struggling in 2nd or 3rd grade ...
This is now my child. WPPSI was 96%. Struggling now in 2nd grade with Math and reading.
I'm curious, so I'm wondering if you'll expand a little bit.
1. How serious is the struggle? Is your child struggling so much that counseling out is on the horizon? Or are you just describing normal struggles that many kids may have?
2. When your child got the 96th percentile WPPSI score, did the score strike you as surprisingly high? (Ex: "Gee, I knew my child was no dummy, but 96%?!? That's surprising! I pictured my child as more of a general above-average kid based on comparisons to other children I know.") Or instead was the 96% score fully consistent with other indications of very high intelligence? (Ex: Glowing remarks from teachers and other parents about your child's obvious smarts, your own objective sense of your child's abilities compared to peers, etc.)
Thanks in advance for the extra context!
Why, in the name of the baby jesus, would a child who is assessed to be reading " at grade level" be deemed " struggling" . And what 3rd grader since time began has not struggled with their multiplication tables. Seems I remember Einsteen was thought a dullard because he refused to memorize and " repeat after me"
To answer question 1, my child is having trouble with basic Math and is reading at grade level. For comparison, every other kid in the class is reading above grade level and most are several grade levels ahead. There has been on indication she will be counseled out but we are working with her every night and have a tutor as well for Math.
To answer question 2, yes, the score being that high was a surprise. But then again, I realize the tester is running a business and she knew full well we needed the high test score to get into area private schools. I believe that my child's score was the lowest highest score they likely give if that makes sense.
Anonymous
10/12/2012 00:20
Subject: Do all schools "counsel out" students? Are certain schools more likely to do this?
Anonymous wrote:My child was counseled out of Sidwell at grade 3.
At the end of grade 3? Did it come as a surprise or had the school made you aware of concerns for a while? Just curious how school or you tried to address issues before counseling out? Thanks.
Anonymous
10/11/2012 20:13
Subject: Do all schools "counsel out" students? Are certain schools more likely to do this?
Anonymous wrote:In a lot of ways, we should all be well cautioned by a child's WPPSI scores, whether high, low or in the middle, at ages 4 and 5. The test is such poor, poor predictor of future academic success and does nothing to predict a child's motivation towards academics. Parents get super excited when their little Johnny gets into Sidwell for K, or super devastated when he doesn't. Fast forward 3 years and that high WPPSI scoring child is now struggling in 2nd or 3rd grade (or just not motivated to love, love, love academics), OR that low scoring child has shown himself to be super bright, motivated and ready for more academic rigor and probably should have been at a school like Sidwell in the first place, as opposed to being rejected for low scores. As parents, we should be take stock and inventory, every year, as to whether or not our child is thriving in the environment in which they are in. You may think you have it all figured out in K, but the child is just too young at point to know for sure. Adjust course if you need to -- in either direction!
This sounds good in print, but my DC has been in Private for 6 years and I don't know too many kids with WIPPSI scores much above the 120's, and I mean low 120's among the admits. Not that we talk about the actual number , but you can kind of tell from the written work, the science projects and other work posted around the school even before the ERB's come out. Yes, there are some extraordinarily bright kids, but most are just slightly above average( 110-120 IQ range). The majority of kids admitted however do have one thing in common: very sucessful, highly educated and well connected parents. It would say it is more ofthen the case that a child who scores poorly gets admitted, not on his own, but because the school figures, " this is a "nice family" ( will donate AND volunteer a lot), they are well connected, and we'll take Jonny for a few years and if it becomes obvious that he can't cut it then perhaps a school that is a "better fit" will emerge. " Time will tell" Agreed, admit, pass the next file. Meanwhile, a child with very high scores, with parents w/ HHI 90K, and very common jobs in the snootiest sense of the word, gets denied admission for " not being a good fit" I don't know any high scoring ( 140 or higher across the board on all WIPPSI subset) kids who are struggling in 2nd grade. None.
Anonymous
10/11/2012 20:02
Subject: Do all schools "counsel out" students? Are certain schools more likely to do this?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't know. My child scored 98% and did so with no sort of prepping. Was I surprised..not really she already seemed fairly verbal and could do some puzzles pretty darn fast. Now years later..she is very stupidious and gets excellent grades. So I think by and large the WPSSI was a good predictor when you are talking kids with high scores. Kids with low scores though may not necessarily be underachievers later on..I think there are probably of a lot of kids in that group who may not have been mature enough (at the time) to focus etc etc and fast forward years..they are doing great because they have grown up. And yes I know the test factors in for age but sorry maybe not enough. So I think the schools are cautious with the low scoring kids because they are not sure which way it will go..so maybe they have a lower cutoff to sort of CYA.ie they don't need to see a 95 plus but can't be below say a 80. Also..think they look for consistency to make sure there isn't a learning issue they can't handle in one of the subsets.
Love the word stupidious. Stupid and studious?
I love the typing police..typing a quick answer and hoping op got some hope from the snobs. I think my point got across.
OMG, no sense of humor! Loosen up!