Really? Are men "victims" when they receive prescription drug benefits? Or is it just women who shouldn't have their medication covered?

There is a huge difference between receiving prescription drug benefits and receiving a FREE prescription drug. Are you really that dense?

Anonymous wrote:Let me see if I understand correctly. You want the government to stay out of your vagina UNLESS it is to pay for your birth control. If so, you aren't actually demanding that your reproductive rights be legislated, you are simply demanding the way that they be legislated.

There currently are low cost/no cost birth control options available to low income women. The American taxpayer should not be forced to subsidize the birth control of all women without regard to ability to pay. This is ludicrous.

Yes there are -- at Planned Parenthood. If you are lucky enough to live in a state that hasn't run them out of town yet. And if you can afford to get there. And if you can handle being screamed at and called a "Baby killer," as you try to get in the front door. But sure, other than that getting free birth control is a piece of cake.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous



Feminists fought for equality not to be treated as helpless victims of our sexuality who need someone to take charge of our sexuality and pay for our birth control. It is precisely the mindset applauding the subsidizing of our lives that will keep women from being seen as equals.

Bravo. You cannot expect to be treated as equals in the workplace if you demand to be treated like helpless victims of biology in the bedroom. Put your big girl panties on and buy your own birth control. Take charge. Don't take handouts.

Really? Are men "victims" when they receive prescription drug benefits? Or is it just women who shouldn't have their medication covered?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Feminism succeeded to the extent it did because of birth control. Women learned that they could control when they would be pregnant, allowing them to delay families, allowing them to get educations, allowing them sexual power.

Giving inexpensive or free access to birth control to poorer woman allows them to feel the positive effects of feminism too.

To Ms. Big Girl Panties above, you missed the point of women's liberation. This is a Women's Liberation issue more than pure Feminism.

THIS!!! I cannot believe the number of women on here who cannot acknowledge their own privilege. Many of us are successful because we were able to take control of our reproductive choices, largely because we had access to it and BECAUSE WE COULD AFFORD IT. I'm not fighting for access to free / inexpensive birth control because I can't shell out the $10 a month for it -- I'm fighting for it because there are many MANY women who CAN'T afford that and who deserve the opportunity to succeed.

Just the fact that men are fighting us so hard on this issue should tell you we are really on to something big here.

+1000
signed, willing and able to spend $150 for a three month supply of bc

Let me see if I understand correctly. You want the government to stay out of your vagina UNLESS it is to pay for your birth control. If so, you aren't actually demanding that your reproductive rights be legislated, you are simply demanding the way that they be legislated.

There currently are low cost/no cost birth control options available to low income women. The American taxpayer should not be forced to subsidize the birth control of all women without regard to ability to pay. This is ludicrous.

The study wasn't just about hormonal birth control. Many of the subjects chose IUDs.

Anonymous wrote:13:08, please don't call that poster "dramatic" when there are anti-choicers all over the other abortion issue threads here screaming about tearing 28-week fetuses limb from limb. They're the ones who are dramatic. And they do call it murder.

That's what it is. If you are going to be pro-abortion, then at least wear that label with integrity. What do you think happens? The baby just disappears into thin air? Maybe in your mind, but not in reality.

And I don't support hormonal birth control because I think that's why so many women have issues getting pregnant and carrying a pregnancy to term. Then they end up with all sorts of cancers and other "female problems" later on. Blame it on the water and air supply if you want. But I am blaming taking hormones for years and years. However, if someone wants to take it, I don't care. It doesn't bother me a bit. The only thing that bothers me is when people act like women SHOULD be on hormonal birth control if they are of childbearing age.

So your wallet would rather pay thousands for 18 years of support for a child on welfare than pennies in birth control as part of Medicaid?

Keep your vaginas out of my wallet.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Feminism succeeded to the extent it did because of birth control. Women learned that they could control when they would be pregnant, allowing them to delay families, allowing them to get educations, allowing them sexual power.

Giving inexpensive or free access to birth control to poorer woman allows them to feel the positive effects of feminism too.

To Ms. Big Girl Panties above, you missed the point of women's liberation. This is a Women's Liberation issue more than pure Feminism.

THIS!!! I cannot believe the number of women on here who cannot acknowledge their own privilege. Many of us are successful because we were able to take control of our reproductive choices, largely because we had access to it and BECAUSE WE COULD AFFORD IT. I'm not fighting for access to free / inexpensive birth control because I can't shell out the $10 a month for it -- I'm fighting for it because there are many MANY women who CAN'T afford that and who deserve the opportunity to succeed.

Just the fact that men are fighting us so hard on this issue should tell you we are really on to something big here.

Bravo.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Feminism succeeded to the extent it did because of birth control. Women learned that they could control when they would be pregnant, allowing them to delay families, allowing them to get educations, allowing them sexual power.

Giving inexpensive or free access to birth control to poorer woman allows them to feel the positive effects of feminism too.

To Ms. Big Girl Panties above, you missed the point of women's liberation. This is a Women's Liberation issue more than pure Feminism.

THIS!!! I cannot believe the number of women on here who cannot acknowledge their own privilege. Many of us are successful because we were able to take control of our reproductive choices, largely because we had access to it and BECAUSE WE COULD AFFORD IT. I'm not fighting for access to free / inexpensive birth control because I can't shell out the $10 a month for it -- I'm fighting for it because there are many MANY women who CAN'T afford that and who deserve the opportunity to succeed.

Just the fact that men are fighting us so hard on this issue should tell you we are really on to something big here.

Well said. Ms. Big Girl panties may or may not be a feminist, but she's definitely an elitist (assuming she's a she).

Anonymous wrote:Feminism succeeded to the extent it did because of birth control. Women learned that they could control when they would be pregnant, allowing them to delay families, allowing them to get educations, allowing them sexual power.

Giving inexpensive or free access to birth control to poorer woman allows them to feel the positive effects of feminism too.

To Ms. Big Girl Panties above, you missed the point of women's liberation. This is a Women's Liberation issue more than pure Feminism.

THIS!!! I cannot believe the number of women on here who cannot acknowledge their own privilege. Many of us are successful because we were able to take control of our reproductive choices, largely because we had access to it and BECAUSE WE COULD AFFORD IT. I'm not fighting for access to free / inexpensive birth control because I can't shell out the $10 a month for it -- I'm fighting for it because there are many MANY women who CAN'T afford that and who deserve the opportunity to succeed.

Just the fact that men are fighting us so hard on this issue should tell you we are really on to something big here.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous



Feminists fought for equality not to be treated as helpless victims of our sexuality who need someone to take charge of our sexuality and pay for our birth control. It is precisely the mindset applauding the subsidizing of our lives that will keep women from being seen as equals.

Bravo. You cannot expect to be treated as equals in the workplace if you demand to be treated like helpless victims of biology in the bedroom. Put your big girl panties on and buy your own birth control. Take charge. Don't take handouts.

This is the same logic that's used to say people don't deserve paid parental leave. "Put on your big girl panties on and save your money for your time off or get back to work." Having access to free birth control doesn't require you to take it, it just allows you to get it if you are one of the many women who both a) wants to have sex but not a baby and b) cannot afford birth control. I don't see us calling men helpless b/c aspects of their health care are paid for. And seriously, many of these women are young (read teens, students, just starting out).

This.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous



Feminists fought for equality not to be treated as helpless victims of our sexuality who need someone to take charge of our sexuality and pay for our birth control. It is precisely the mindset applauding the subsidizing of our lives that will keep women from being seen as equals.

Bravo. You cannot expect to be treated as equals in the workplace if you demand to be treated like helpless victims of biology in the bedroom. Put your big girl panties on and buy your own birth control. Take charge. Don't take handouts.

This is the same logic that's used to say people don't deserve paid parental leave. "Put on your big girl panties on and save your money for your time off or get back to work." Having access to free birth control doesn't require you to take it, it just allows you to get it if you are one of the many women who both a) wants to have sex but not a baby and b) cannot afford birth control. I don't see us calling men helpless b/c aspects of their health care are paid for. And seriously, many of these women are young (read teens, students, just starting out).

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I am not against abortion, but good grief women take control and responsibility for your sexuality and reproduction--expecting free birth control=the death of feminism.


Are you saying that you are more concerned about the death of feminism than the death of babies???? Who the fuck cares, if this is murder like you say, how can you pass up a voluntary, nonviolent way to prevent them?

What, too expensive? Or is your real agenda to use pregnancy as a sex deterrent?

Do you even read what is written before you start spouting off?

Those of you who actually grew up fighting for equality for women do not want to be treated like children. We fought for equal rights not special rights. We fought for reproductive freedom not free birth control. You women call for special services and/or free services are not feminists and you set all women back 40 years. Take charge of your own lives and then you can call your self a feminist and a mature women.

Demanding easier access to birth control IS taking charge of our own lives. Bonus: it also helps women with low or no income take charge of their lives.