Sorry, I should clarify. About half of the 9/11 hijackers were in the country legally.

Anonymous wrote:its funny you say those things about immigrants because... the man that kill lot of innocent people at the movie theater the other day doesnt seem like an immigrant at all to me

Nor was the guy who shot up the Sikh temple, nor was the guy who shot up Virginia Tech, nor were many of the 9/11 hijackers.

As for the article above... Washington Times. What, couldn't find anything from Fox "News"?

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Anonymous wrote:I am with the PP who does not have any sympathy for illegal immigrants. I am a legal immigrant myself and have now spent more than half of my life in the U.S. The reason I don't have any sympathy for the illegals is that I know there are millions of deserving people out in the world whose lives may be in danger or would at least be greatly improved by immigrating to the U.S., but they have to do it the legal way and often have no luck doing so. Just because someone from South America has easier access to the U.S. (i.e. can make a run accross the border) does not make them any more deserving of U.S. rights and benefits than countless people who are trying to do it the legal way. Hate me if you wish!

You misunderstood the United States, and if you don't care about children growing up without their families, no matter who they are, you are heartless.

The world is a cold place
Australians took away all the children of the aboriginals and placed them in adoption, some in bording schools, majority in institutions. And they did this for about 70 years.
When Germany invaded Poland all blond children under 5 were exported to Germany to be adopted
Argentinas dictatorship placed children of political enemies in adoption.

Ancient practice is being revived.

We did this too, you know.

its funny you say those things about immigrants because... the man that kill lot of innocent people at the movie theater the other day doesnt seem like an immigrant at all to me

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Anonymous wrote:I don't feel bad for illegal immigrants and whatever happens to them. Sorry but the key word there is ILLEGAL. No sympathy. You can call me a horrible person if you want, but if someone is here against the law, why should our laws and rights protect them? This whole in-state tuition and insurance coverage for them is ridiculous. Sometimes i hate the state i live in.

I DOdislike you greatly. Your world is so S.I.M.P.L.E. Undocumented immigrants are not violent and don't come here to hurt people. They come to work and provide food and basics for their families. While here, many do pay income tax that pays into the social security account of a dead person, so the undocumented immigrant will never see the fruits of the taxes they paid. They contribute to the economy through purchases of food, rent, and other consumer goods.

I believe the next generation should benefit from higher education, through in-state tuition and become a contributing tax paying member of society. Would you rather that they remain uneducated, low skilled and dependent on government subsidies, which would continue to be a drain on public funds?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/aug/2/illegal-immigrant-killed-nun-released-by-feds/?clear_cache_true

"Unfortunately, the majority of illegal aliens who are here are engaged in criminal activity. Identity theft, use of fraudulent social security numbers and green cards, tax evasion, driving without licenses represent some of the crimes that are engaged in by the majority of illegal aliens on a daily basis merely to maintain and hide their illegal status.
In addition, violent crime and drug distribution and possession is also prevalent among illegal aliens. Over 25% of today's federal prison population are illegal aliens. In some areas of the country, 12% of felonies, 25% of burglaries and 34% of thefts are committed by illegal aliens."

Ignoring the "minor crime" such as ID theft and property crimes being committed by illegal aliens, here is a summary on some of the collateral damage reaped in crimes as a result of tolerating illegal aliens in the USA:

In Los Angeles, 95% of some 1,500 outstanding warrants for homicides are for illegal aliens. About 67% of the 17,000 outstanding fugitive felony warrants are for illegal aliens.
There are currently over 400,000 unaccounted for illegal alien criminals with outstanding deportation orders. At least one fourth of these are hard core criminals.
80,000 to 100,000 illegal aliens who have been convicted of serious crimes are walking the streets. Based on studies they will commit an average of 13 serious crimes per perpetrator.
Illegal aliens are involved in criminal activities at a rate that is 2-5 times their representative proportion of the population.
In 1980, our Federal and state facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens but at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in U.S. correctional facilities at a cost of about $6.8 billion per year.
At least 4.5 million pounds of cocaine with a street value of at least $72 billion is smuggled across the southern border every year. ..
56% of illegal aliens charged with a reentry offense had previously been convicted on at least 5 prior occasions.
Illegal aliens charged with unlawful reentry had the most extensive criminal histories. 90% had been previously arrested. Of those with a prior arrest, 50% had been arrested for violent or drug-related felonies.
Illegal aliens commit between 700,000 to 1,289,000 or more crimes per year.
Illegal aliens commit at least 2,158 murders each year – a number that represents three times greater participation than their proportion of the population.
Illegal alien sexual predators commit an estimated 130,909 sexual crimes each year.
There may be as many as 240,000 illegal alien sex offenders circulating throughout America. Based on studies, they will commit an average of 8 sex crimes per perpetrator before being caught.
Nearly 63% of illegal alien sex offenders had been deported on another offense prior to committing the sex crime.
Only 2% of the illegal alien sex offenders in one study had no history of criminal behavior, beyond crossing the border illegally.
In Operation Predator, ICE arrested and deported 6,085 illegal alien pedophiles. Some studies suggest each pedophile molests average of 148 children. If so, that could be as many as 900,580 victims.
Nobody knows how big the Sex Slave problem is but it is enormous.
The very brutal MS-13 gang has over 15,000 members and associates in at least 115 different cliques in 33 states.
The overall financial impact of illegal alien crimes is estimated at between $14.4 and $81 billion or more per year. Factor in the crime as a result of the cocaine and other drugs being smuggled in and the number may reach $150 billion per year.

this treat put me in a sad mood today

Anonymous wrote:Did you guys know that the U.S. is one of VERY few nations in the world that has this "if you are born in the U.S. you are a citizen, regardless of who your parents are" rule?

If by VERY few you mean 35 or so.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you guys know that the U.S. is one of VERY few nations in the world that has this "if you are born in the U.S. you are a citizen, regardless of who your parents are" rule?

Given our history and our (supposed) principles, how could it be otherwise?

That could be changed
But do you really have no other troubles?

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I DOdislike you greatly. Your world is so S.I.M.P.L.E. Undocumented immigrants are not violent and don't come here to hurt people. They come to work and provide food and basics for their families. While here, many do pay income tax that pays into the social security account of a dead person, so the undocumented immigrant will never see the fruits of the taxes they paid. They contribute to the economy through purchases of food, rent, and other consumer goods.

I believe the next generation should benefit from higher education, through in-state tuition and become a contributing tax paying member of society. Would you rather that they remain uneducated, low skilled and dependent on government subsidies, which would continue to be a drain on public funds?

There will always be a demand for cheap labor

Anonymous wrote:I don't feel bad for illegal immigrants and whatever happens to them. Sorry but the key word there is ILLEGAL. No sympathy. You can call me a horrible person if you want, but if someone is here against the law, why should our laws and rights protect them? This whole in-state tuition and insurance coverage for them is ridiculous. Sometimes i hate the state i live in.

I DOdislike you greatly. Your world is so S.I.M.P.L.E. Undocumented immigrants are not violent and don't come here to hurt people. They come to work and provide food and basics for their families. While here, many do pay income tax that pays into the social security account of a dead person, so the undocumented immigrant will never see the fruits of the taxes they paid. They contribute to the economy through purchases of food, rent, and other consumer goods.

I believe the next generation should benefit from higher education, through in-state tuition and become a contributing tax paying member of society. Would you rather that they remain uneducated, low skilled and dependent on government subsidies, which would continue to be a drain on public funds?

Anonymous wrote:I just read an article about the children born in the US to illegals. It stated that although the parents were deported, the children were put in state custody and some put up for adoption because " they have will have a better life in the US, than the country their parents were deported to". REALLY??? I am completely floored by this article. Sounds a bit like what we said to the American natives, or what the Germans said to the Jews. How can we say where a child is better off? So should every child not living in a country we feel is up to our standard be brought here against the parents will because we will give the child a better life? This is very scary! I get the fact that the parents knew they could be deported at anytime back to the country they came from but let them take the children with them. I don't care if they were born here or not, they are not PROPERTY of the US. Let the child make the decision to come back to his or her home country when they are adults. I would bet every dollar I have if you asked the child where he/she wanted to be, it would be with the parents. Children don't give a damn about the "good life". They care about their mother and father.
I would love someone out there to explain to me how this is legal!

Back to the original question...I am as surprised as you are -- assuming that is the case. Does being deported from Country X (in this case, the USA) automatically mean losing guardianship of one's kids? Why? If not, what prevents the parents, once back in Country Y, from claiming their kids to be reunited with them? (I would assume only a small minority would rather see their kids put in state custody) Once the kids become adults, they can come back to the US on their own, as Americans, if they choose to.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am with the PP who does not have any sympathy for illegal immigrants. I am a legal immigrant myself and have now spent more than half of my life in the U.S. The reason I don't have any sympathy for the illegals is that I know there are millions of deserving people out in the world whose lives may be in danger or would at least be greatly improved by immigrating to the U.S., but they have to do it the legal way and often have no luck doing so. Just because someone from South America has easier access to the U.S. (i.e. can make a run accross the border) does not make them any more deserving of U.S. rights and benefits than countless people who are trying to do it the legal way. Hate me if you wish!

You misunderstood the United States, and if you don't care about children growing up without their families, no matter who they are, you are heartless.

The world is a cold place
Australians took away all the children of the aboriginals and placed them in adoption, some in bording schools, majority in institutions. And they did this for about 70 years.
When Germany invaded Poland all blond children under 5 were exported to Germany to be adopted
Argentinas dictatorship placed children of political enemies in adoption.

Ancient practice is being revived.

And that's a practice you're on board with? You're in the camp of the Nazis (you brought it up, not me), and the Argentinian dictator?

God, I know. I get so sick of intellectually lazy people using the "it happened in the past" justification for abhorrent policies. The whole point of history is to LEARN FROM IT so we are not doomed to repeat it, you dolts.

if you do the crime do the time (deported)

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am with the PP who does not have any sympathy for illegal immigrants. I am a legal immigrant myself and have now spent more than half of my life in the U.S. The reason I don't have any sympathy for the illegals is that I know there are millions of deserving people out in the world whose lives may be in danger or would at least be greatly improved by immigrating to the U.S., but they have to do it the legal way and often have no luck doing so. Just because someone from South America has easier access to the U.S. (i.e. can make a run accross the border) does not make them any more deserving of U.S. rights and benefits than countless people who are trying to do it the legal way. Hate me if you wish!

You misunderstood the United States, and if you don't care about children growing up without their families, no matter who they are, you are heartless.

The world is a cold place
Australians took away all the children of the aboriginals and placed them in adoption, some in bording schools, majority in institutions. And they did this for about 70 years.
When Germany invaded Poland all blond children under 5 were exported to Germany to be adopted
Argentinas dictatorship placed children of political enemies in adoption.

Ancient practice is being revived.

And that's a practice you're on board with? You're in the camp of the Nazis (you brought it up, not me), and the Argentinian dictator?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't feel bad for illegal immigrants and whatever happens to them. Sorry but the key word there is ILLEGAL. No sympathy. You can call me a horrible person if you want, but if someone is here against the law, why should our laws and rights protect them? This whole in-state tuition and insurance coverage for them is ridiculous. Sometimes i hate the state i live in.

Ok, I will: You are a horrible person. I mean really, deeply flawed, approaching non-human status in your total lack of empathy. You are so far beneath the human value of an illegal immigrant (who did a good thing at personal risk).

You could try informing yourself on the difference between human rights and civil rights. But you're probably irredeemably vile.

OP here. I am really shocked that you don't care about the children. I don't care if someone illegal is deported either. It is the risk that are taking, knowingly, but the children are innocent. I am not talking about the teenagers. I am talking about the babies and younger ones that depend on a mother's LOVE, not her lifestyle. What the hell is wrong with a country that will sit back and let their gov. take away children from a parent, deport the parent, put the child in foster care and think the child will be ok? Send the child back with the parent and let them decide to come back when they are adults!
Seems so black and white to me. But, the rich american wants a baby and the poor illegal immigrant can do nothing about someone basically STEALING their baby! IMO