Anonymous wrote:The whole birther thing is so logical. Let's see, in 1961 it would have been totally plausible for Obama's parents to have placed false birth announcements in not one, but two Honolulu papers, just so they could preserve their mixed-race baby's constitutional eligibility to be president some day. That was a really imaginable long term plan in '61. And also confused one of the doctors who actually delivered Obama who told a newspaper reporter, in response to a question about anything new at the hospital, said "Stanley had a baby!" (Obama's mother's name was Stanley Ann.) And then, of course you have the "totally forged" birth certificate. Please.

The real brilliance of this plan was not only faking the newspaper announcements, but naming the baby Barack Hussein.

Seven birthers will be speaking at the convention

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/08/24/743791/birther-convention/

Anonymous wrote:Is it really true that the GOP plans to have Trump, aka the bouffant birther buffoon, address the convention next week??!!

As G.W. Bush once said, "bring it on!"

Actually they told GW Bush to "keep it away! very far away!"

Is it really true that the GOP plans to have Trump, aka the bouffant birther buffoon, address the convention next week??!!

As G.W. Bush once said, "bring it on!"

The whole birther thing is so logical. Let's see, in 1961 it would have been totally plausible for Obama's parents to have placed false birth announcements in not one, but two Honolulu papers, just so they could preserve their mixed-race baby's constitutional eligibility to be president some day. That was a really imaginable long term plan in '61. And also confused one of the doctors who actually delivered Obama who told a newspaper reporter, in response to a question about anything new at the hospital, said "Stanley had a baby!" (Obama's mother's name was Stanley Ann.) And then, of course you have the "totally forged" birth certificate. Please.

Anonymous wrote:I am glad Romney picked Ryan. We needed this in depth discussion on the economy.

Well let's be honest, we were never getting that from Ryan. Apparently he was not able to discern the meaning of the lyrics of his favorite band. How on earth was he going to cut a budget?

BTW speaking of him in the past tense really feels right.

PP
Don't deceive yourself by assuming that you are debating with an intelligent life form.

These are the same people who back, creationism, hate science and realities of climate change, think Aiken, Donald Trump, Romney, Adelson, Koch Bros. Etc. represent anyone, but their own selfish self interests. Save your keystrokes.
Romney by refusing to answer reporter's questions about: abortion, Aiken, Tax Returns and now uttering Birther BS has lost the vote of anyone, but card carrying Fundamentalist, Evangelicals and the Wing Nut Tea Party types.

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True, but that is a tiny bar to climb over. I think George W Bush will go down in history as possibly the worst president of all time. However, I am afraid that Obama will not end up being regarded as much better. He extended Bush's tax cuts. he doubled down on the war in Afghanistan ( it is a bigger mess and far more dangerous for US soldiers now), he established a policy of killing US citizens without due process, the deficit is hugely out of control... I could go on. The bottom line is the past 12 years has been arguably led by two of the worst President's in history. Very depressing.

I am pretty sure that until this post, I was the only person on DCUM who had ever complained about Obama killing American citizens without legal authority. My expectation is that in the future the economic problems will not stand out as a significant shortcoming of the Obama administration. They will be seen as part of a downturn that began under Bush and became overshadowed by problems in Europe (such as Eurozone breakup). However, I think that Obama will stand out as instrumental in destroying the civil rights of Americans. Whereas Bush chipped away at our rights with pushback from the Democrats, Obama has easily taken even more offensive steps.

My biggest frustration with today's Republicans is that they have obsessed over birth certificates and an angry preacher and ignored Obama's steps to legitimize detention without charge or legal recourse and the arbitrary killing of American citizens.

I am glad Romney picked Ryan. We needed this in depth discussion on the economy.

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Did Romney grow up in mexico? or kenya or indonesia? I thought Romney was born and raised in the USA.

Obama was taken to Indonesia by his mother when she married her second husband, and he lived there from age 6 to 10. He never lived in Kenya at all. Only visited for the first time as an adult.

Are you taking any of this in? Or are the facts wasted on you?

Un-presidential. At least he should leave it to his proxies. He shouldn't be in the gutter right before his own convention.

Anonymous wrote:Frankly Jeff, most of Obama's life prior to the Senate a couple years ago leaves mostly question marks. I couldn't even tell you where his parents were living when he was supposedly born here and what they did for a living (and how did they even end up here from Indonesia to begin with), or what Obama did for a living for almost 20 years prior to the Senate. Or where Obama's American family is other than his own children and wife. If this was one thing, just one question mark on a straightforward kind of guy, then I don't think people would press the issue so much, like how McCain was born overseas. But in his case, almost 1/2 of his life is a big ass question mark to me and a lot of people. Even bios I read online thinking I should give him the benefit of the doubt and read up on this skip MOST of his life.

Admiral Stockdale, is that you?

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jsteele wrote:Remember when Romney was going to shake the Etch-a-Sketch and transform into a moderate for the general election and, by doing so, pick up independents? Well, it's not happening.

At a campaign rally today, Romney started off by saying, "No one ever asked to see my birth certificate." Never mind that Romney's father, who was born in Mexico, ran for president.

Romney is correct that nobody has asked to see his birth certificate. Similarly, nobody has asked to see President Obama's tax returns. Will Romney release his tax returns when Obama releases his birth certificate? Oh, that's right, Obama has released his birth certificate.

To the poster who is complaining in nearly every thread that we aren't discussing the economy, maybe you should have a talk with your candidate?

The Constitution requires that the President be a U.S. citizen - it does not require any particular tax returns.

And with all due respect, Obama's father is from Kenya, Obama grew up in Indonesia, and most of his family here are illegals - naturally, people are going to wonder, some more than others, if he was even born here.

Releasing tax returns is not a requirement

And Romney's is from Mexico.

Did Romney grow up in mexico? or kenya or indonesia? I thought Romney was born and raised in the USA.

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jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Romney is a terrible candidate. Any competent Republican should be leading by 10 points. Unfortunately for the GOP, he was the only viable candidate from their primary field of morons (Perry), psychos ( Bachmann), clowns ( Trump), fanatics (Santorum), old cranks ( Paul) and bores ( Pawlenty). We are left with a haircut and an expensive suit who stands for nothing, and does not even know why he wants to be president. On the Obama is clearly in over his head, and cannot figure out how to get anything accomplished. A mess.

You, my friend, are not far from the truth, albeit I would use a bit more toned-down adjectives. This should be the landslide of all landslides, but it won't be due to a poorly chosen candidate, and even more poorly chosen VP. But all still better than the worst president in American history (Obama).

This is shaping up as a landslide for Obama. Anyone who believes that George W. Bush was a better president than Obama is delusional. Bush took office with the country enjoying record budget surpluses. He left office with two wars underway and record budget deficits. Obama certainly could have done a better job of cleaning up Bush's messes, but he is clearly a much better president.

True, but that is a tiny bar to climb over. I think George W Bush will go down in history as possibly the worst president of all time. However, I am afraid that Obama will not end up being regarded as much better. He extended Bush's tax cuts. he doubled down on the war in Afghanistan ( it is a bigger mess and far more dangerous for US soldiers now), he established a policy of killing US citizens without due process, the deficit is hugely out of control... I could go on. The bottom line is the past 12 years has been arguably led by two of the worst President's in history. Very depressing.

Not too thrilled with him either but I'd rather have him than the Gynecological Old Party.

Everybody knows that he has no friends or anyone who remembers him in school. He won't release any college info and since nobody knows how he paid for college, the rumours are he was a foreign exchange student. He admits he was a druggie and had bad grades in highs school so definately no scholarships. We know his parents and step parents and mentors are basically Marxists . And his brother lives in a hut.