Anonymous
Post 07/29/2012 14:29     Subject: Re:Standing your ground (chick fil a, etc) spin-off
Anonymous wrote:No one *must* accept homosexuality. But as an American, you *must* oppose discrimination against anyone.

I don't agree with Cathy, and I respect his right to believe whatever he wants. But when he spends millions to deny rights to others, I have a problem with that.


This is how I feel. I haven't eaten at Chick Fil A since I first heard word of his contributions to "defense of marriage" groups about a year ago. I feel like as an American, I have a right to decide where I spend my money- and I don't want to spend it somewhere where I KNOW the proceeds are going to support something like this.
Anonymous
Post 07/29/2012 14:28     Subject: Re:Standing your ground (chick fil a, etc) spin-off
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No one *must* accept homosexuality. But as an American, you *must* oppose discrimination against anyone.



Even conservative Christians? I should hope so.


I meant "you must oppose discrimination" even against conservative Christians in my post above.
Because otherwise all this is "ACCEPT EVERONE!...except anyone who disagreed with me."


Yes, you must oppose discrimination against Christians, and I do. I don't think Cathy's views are in any way Christian, but that's another argument.

I am grateful when people with his views take full advantage of their right to free speech. It sets them apart, and leads to discussions like this one, which inevitably move the needle a little further toward equal rights for all. Because once you listen to someone like him, most thinking people are eager to move to the other side of the fence.


equal rights? Do they make the gay customers sit in different areas of the restaurant after checking with their gaydar machine? Do they make them wait behind the non gay customers.

If you google the history of civil rights and what AAs had to endure it's insulting to believe they are the same thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation



Pretty sure Matthew Shephard's mom would challenge you on that. And I personally have been denied a hotel room with one bed when I checked in with my partner.

But even if we gays haven't suffered enough to earn the right to marry in your eyes, there is still no American reason to deny it. There is only your hate and fear and bigotry.

If you oppose equal rights for gay people, you are on the wrong side of history.


Matthew shepard was killed by a group of crazy people not chik fil a.
Anonymous
Post 07/29/2012 14:24     Subject: Re:Standing your ground (chick fil a, etc) spin-off
Anonymous wrote:

But even if we gays haven't suffered enough to earn the right to marry in your eyes, there is still no American reason to deny it. There is only your hate and fear and bigotry.



Fear? Fear of what? I love when the term "homophobia" is thrown around. Who's afraid of the big bad gays? Come on now. There is no fear.

And it isn't "fear that our traditional views are being challenged." Your using "marriage" means nothing to me. Gays can't be married. I'm for full civil unions for them, but marriage is one man and one woman. I'm not losing sleep -- or, "afraid" -- that gays think they're married. It's a moot point to me.

Chik-fil-A is a private company, a small biz gone big. They have every right to their opinion. And they have delicious food. I love eating there on occasion and will continue to do so.
Anonymous
Post 07/29/2012 14:12     Subject: Standing your ground (chick fil a, etc) spin-off
We've been boycotting CFA for the past month or so since we became aware of their stance.
Anonymous
Post 07/29/2012 14:11     Subject: Re:Standing your ground (chick fil a, etc) spin-off
If Mark Zuckerberg were anti-gay or anti-women (which, BTW, I heard that before the IPO, the office culture was quite sexist), would that mean the end for FB?
Anonymous
Post 07/29/2012 13:58     Subject: Standing your ground (chick fil a, etc) spin-off
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't. Why should I care what the owner of a fast food restaurant thinks about anything? His beliefs are his. Mine may or may not be different, but who's really to say who is right? Also, I don't think people realize that boycotting Chick-fil-A because of what the Cathy family thinks is not going to matter to the Cathys. They voluntarily close every Sunday of every year, thus missing 53-54 days of profit every single year- because of their beliefs. They're fine not making money on Sundays because they think they're doing what's right. They're also going to be fine not making money from boycotters, because they still think their stance on gay marriage is right!


But it's not just their opinions -- they donate part of the profits of the restaurant to causes that actively oppose things I think are really important. So I don't want my oney to become part of that support.


+1.

They not only donate money to causes I actively oppose, they donate money to causes DEDICATED TO REMOVING PEOPLE'S BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS.

It is about the MONEY. Not the opinions, the MONEY.


Oh, how principled of you.

Since it all about the money, I supposed you must walk everywhere and always refuse to ride in any vehicle that uses gas. And of course you never spend any money on anything that is plastic, since plastic is made from oil. Same thing with wearing synthetic fabrics.

Because all those things come from oil, and most oil comes from countries who have violent policies against gays, including death in some cases. And we wouldn't want to give any money to anyone who discriminates against gays in any way.
Anonymous
Post 07/29/2012 13:57     Subject: Standing your ground (chick fil a, etc) spin-off
Choosing where to shop (or not to shop) is a part of free speech.

In our era of such huge corporate influence on politics, I am glad for the chance to know which causes my consumer dollars support, and to make purchasing decisions based on that.

You can't have it both ways, people. I don't care what someone's personal beliefs are, but if a corporate leader ensures that certain causes I oppose get a part of that company's profits, I sure as hell am going to take that into consideration.

This isn't the same as choosing not to buy from a company because the owners are Christian, BTW.
Anonymous
Post 07/29/2012 13:57     Subject: Standing your ground (chick fil a, etc) spin-off
Anonymous wrote:So, i actually am a bit repulsed by chick fil a's stance and I won't be eating there anymore, but I don't make a big deal about it in public or even on here. I certainly wouldn't tell a friend not to eat there and I'm not above stealing a napkin from them if we're walking by in the mall. But support them by purchasing a product? No. That I will not do.

I also oppose Komen for what they did with planned parenthood and i no longer do the walk or raise any funds for them.

But it seems like people on teh chick fil a thread seem to think no one does these things - makes private consumer or charity choices based on a companies (owner's) beliefs, ethics or actions.

So my question is: do you, privately, make decisions on what to buy, eat, or where based on a companies' actions or statements?


I guess you don't realize that is nothing more than an attempt to rally the democratic base before the election. Unemployment is over 8 percent, gas is $3.50 a gallon, home values are at a ten year low, and the US is carrying a $14 trillion debit and is on the verge of financial collapse and you fools are worried about a fucking fast food restaurant. Simply amazing.
Anonymous
Post 07/29/2012 13:54     Subject: Re:Standing your ground (chick fil a, etc) spin-off
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No one *must* accept homosexuality. But as an American, you *must* oppose discrimination against anyone.



Even conservative Christians? I should hope so.


I meant "you must oppose discrimination" even against conservative Christians in my post above.
Because otherwise all this is "ACCEPT EVERONE!...except anyone who disagreed with me."


Yes, you must oppose discrimination against Christians, and I do. I don't think Cathy's views are in any way Christian, but that's another argument.

I am grateful when people with his views take full advantage of their right to free speech. It sets them apart, and leads to discussions like this one, which inevitably move the needle a little further toward equal rights for all. Because once you listen to someone like him, most thinking people are eager to move to the other side of the fence.


equal rights? Do they make the gay customers sit in different areas of the restaurant after checking with their gaydar machine? Do they make them wait behind the non gay customers.

If you google the history of civil rights and what AAs had to endure it's insulting to believe they are the same thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation



Pretty sure Matthew Shephard's mom would challenge you on that. And I personally have been denied a hotel room with one bed when I checked in with my partner.

But even if we gays haven't suffered enough to earn the right to marry in your eyes, there is still no American reason to deny it. There is only your hate and fear and bigotry.

If you oppose equal rights for gay people, you are on the wrong side of history.
Anonymous
Post 07/29/2012 13:39     Subject: Standing your ground (chick fil a, etc) spin-off
I don't eat meat, so never been to CFA.

I will not shop, and never have, at Wal-Mart due to their anti-union policies, anti-competitiveness practices, and general horribleness to people around the globe. I'd rather pay more.
Anonymous
Post 07/29/2012 13:36     Subject: Re:Standing your ground (chick fil a, etc) spin-off
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No one *must* accept homosexuality. But as an American, you *must* oppose discrimination against anyone.



Even conservative Christians? I should hope so.


I meant "you must oppose discrimination" even against conservative Christians in my post above.
Because otherwise all this is "ACCEPT EVERONE!...except anyone who disagreed with me."


Yes, you must oppose discrimination against Christians, and I do. I don't think Cathy's views are in any way Christian, but that's another argument.

I am grateful when people with his views take full advantage of their right to free speech. It sets them apart, and leads to discussions like this one, which inevitably move the needle a little further toward equal rights for all. Because once you listen to someone like him, most thinking people are eager to move to the other side of the fence.


equal rights? Do they make the gay customers sit in different areas of the restaurant after checking with their gaydar machine? Do they make them wait behind the non gay customers.

If you google the history of civil rights and what AAs had to endure it's insulting to believe they are the same thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation
Anonymous
Post 07/29/2012 13:36     Subject: Re:Standing your ground (chick fil a, etc) spin-off
I dunno about that. There is definitely growing support for gay marriage but I think there will always be a very vocal group that opposes it. It goes hand in hand with religion. And you're never going to get rid of religion.
Anonymous
Post 07/29/2012 13:28     Subject: Re:Standing your ground (chick fil a, etc) spin-off
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No one *must* accept homosexuality. But as an American, you *must* oppose discrimination against anyone.



Even conservative Christians? I should hope so.


I meant "you must oppose discrimination" even against conservative Christians in my post above.
Because otherwise all this is "ACCEPT EVERONE!...except anyone who disagreed with me."


Yes, you must oppose discrimination against Christians, and I do. I don't think Cathy's views are in any way Christian, but that's another argument.

I am grateful when people with his views take full advantage of their right to free speech. It sets them apart, and leads to discussions like this one, which inevitably move the needle a little further toward equal rights for all. Because once you listen to someone like him, most thinking people are eager to move to the other side of the fence.
Anonymous
Post 07/29/2012 13:13     Subject: Re:Standing your ground (chick fil a, etc) spin-off
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No one *must* accept homosexuality. But as an American, you *must* oppose discrimination against anyone.



Even conservative Christians? I should hope so.


I meant "you must oppose discrimination" even against conservative Christians in my post above.
Because otherwise all this is "ACCEPT EVERONE!...except anyone who disagreed with me."
Anonymous
Post 07/29/2012 13:13     Subject: Re:Standing your ground (chick fil a, etc) spin-off
Anonymous wrote:No one *must* accept homosexuality. But as an American, you *must* oppose discrimination against anyone.



Even conservative Christians? I should hope so.