Anonymous
07/23/2012 20:46
Subject: Re:WHY does the Catholic Church make things so damn difficult?
Cradle Catholic here and I've never heard of godparents having to prove that they've given money to their parish. They have to be registered parishoners and have a form filled out by the priest at their parish. Not terribly unreasonable, again, considering they are standing up saying they are Catholics in good standing and are supporting you in raising your child as a Catholic.
Odd. As I understand it, a potential godparent has only to be a practicing Catholic. Never heard that they had to be registered parishoners who could prove a record a tithing. Clearly, it is true what they say about Virginia parishes. Shameful.
Anonymous
07/23/2012 20:46
Subject: Re:WHY does the Catholic Church make things so damn difficult?
I make sense.
Those who just keep the peace w/o ignoring any of the problems are enablers.
If you don't question the church, you're basically excusing all the sexual predators hidden by those high up. I am probably more religious than many of you, as my culture cannot be separated from Catholicism. In fact, we "corner" the Catholic market!
However, when I encounter such "devout" Catholics - like you, PP - who question those of us who want the church to change for the better, I do indeed think I'm surrounded by religious zealots.
So b/c I want to help change the church for the better - b/c we should all move forward/evolve, right, PP? - I should leave instead?
Soon you'll be one of a 100 Catholics left b/c of your blind faith.
Those who just keep the peace w/o ignoring any of the problems are enablers.
If you don't question the church, you're basically excusing all the sexual predators hidden by those high up. I am probably more religious than many of you, as my culture cannot be separated from Catholicism. In fact, we "corner" the Catholic market!
However, when I encounter such "devout" Catholics - like you, PP - who question those of us who want the church to change for the better, I do indeed think I'm surrounded by religious zealots.
So b/c I want to help change the church for the better - b/c we should all move forward/evolve, right, PP? - I should leave instead?
Soon you'll be one of a 100 Catholics left b/c of your blind faith.
Anonymous wrote:I am really, really puzzled as to why you want to be Catholic, or why you want your children to have sacraments in the Catholic church.
It doesn't make an iota of sense based on your post.
Is it because of family? You are a grown up; find a religion that you actually believe in.
Ritual? Why not Anglican (if you are liberal) or Lutheran (if you are moderate). You can still get the ceremony of the Mass, but in adherance to your belief structure.
If you don't believe and in fact mock the main tenets of this faith, and have such distain for those who practice it, then why be Catholic?
You do not make any sense.
Anonymous wrote:I think it's unreasonable to think that godparents HAVE to be bible-thumping Catholics! Quite frankly, I don't have that many "good" Catholics in my life. My childrens' godparents aren't at mass every Sunday, and some don't even belong to a church. Our church wasn't that picky. I want people in my childrens' lives who love them as much as we do and who WILL treat them as their own should anything happen to us. I don't give a rat's ass if they're not in church every Sunday either.
Furthermore, transubstantiation is ridiculous. Basically, it's cannibalism if you truly believe the host and wine turn into body and blood. When my daughter had her Communion, she thought the whole transformation was bizarre. And I'm glad she had that reaction. So I told her that there are other religions that don't believe in that process, believing it to be symbolic instead.
OP, keep questioning, and ignore people who can't see beyond these "rules." Maybe one day, if enough people start to complain, the Catholic church will indeed change. As it stands now, the whole pedophilia scandal (with creeps still coming out of the woodwork) isn't exactly making the church attractive to many.
Anonymous wrote:Cradle Catholic here and I've never heard of godparents having to prove that they've given money to their parish. They have to be registered parishoners and have a form filled out by the priest at their parish. Not terribly unreasonable, again, considering they are standing up saying they are Catholics in good standing and are supporting you in raising your child as a Catholic.
With regard to the Lutheran poster, unless you were attending a very liberal church at which the priests looked the other way the Catholic church has never been open to non-Catholics receiving communion. Join us in prayer, yes, but only those who have been baptized and received the Sacrament of the Eucharist are to receive holy communion. It's not an insult, it's part of the faith.
OP, if indeed your priest is heaping tons of requirements on you, I can see where you would be frustrated. We had challenges with the parish where we received our pre-Cana marriage counseling. However, with all due respect, you haven't articulated what the requirements are that you are deeming so outrageous.
Anonymous
07/23/2012 20:33
Subject: Re:WHY does the Catholic Church make things so damn difficult?
Anonymous wrote:OP -- Come on over to an Episcopal Church. The service, liturgy and worship experience are all quite similar to a Catholic Mass, but there's none of the crazy rules and judgmental nonsense. We'd love to have you!
+1.
Anonymous
07/23/2012 20:16
Subject: Re:WHY does the Catholic Church make things so damn difficult?
Anonymous wrote:I think it's unreasonable to think that godparents HAVE to be bible-thumping Catholics! Quite frankly, I don't have that many "good" Catholics in my life. My childrens' godparents aren't at mass every Sunday, and some don't even belong to a church. Our church wasn't that picky. I want people in my childrens' lives who love them as much as we do and who WILL treat them as their own should anything happen to us. I don't give a rat's ass if they're not in church every Sunday either.
Furthermore, transubstantiation is ridiculous. Basically, it's cannibalism if you truly believe the host and wine turn into body and blood. When my daughter had her Communion, she thought the whole transformation was bizarre. And I'm glad she had that reaction. So I told her that there are other religions that don't believe in that process, believing it to be symbolic instead.
OP, keep questioning, and ignore people who can't see beyond these "rules." Maybe one day, if enough people start to complain, the Catholic church will indeed change. As it stands now, the whole pedophilia scandal (with creeps still coming out of the woodwork) isn't exactly making the church attractive to many.
Anonymous wrote:Cradle Catholic here and I've never heard of godparents having to prove that they've given money to their parish. They have to be registered parishoners and have a form filled out by the priest at their parish. Not terribly unreasonable, again, considering they are standing up saying they are Catholics in good standing and are supporting you in raising your child as a Catholic.
With regard to the Lutheran poster, unless you were attending a very liberal church at which the priests looked the other way the Catholic church has never been open to non-Catholics receiving communion. Join us in prayer, yes, but only those who have been baptized and received the Sacrament of the Eucharist are to receive holy communion. It's not an insult, it's part of the faith.
OP, if indeed your priest is heaping tons of requirements on you, I can see where you would be frustrated. We had challenges with the parish where we received our pre-Cana marriage counseling. However, with all due respect, you haven't articulated what the requirements are that you are deeming so outrageous.
Then you don't believe in the Catholic faith. So why are you Baptizing a child in a religion you don't believe in? As for the issue of sexual abuse, you are 100% correct. The way it was handled was not right. No argument there.
Anonymous
07/23/2012 20:08
Subject: WHY does the Catholic Church make things so damn difficult?
Anonymous wrote:Op here: the reason I am not going more into detail about what the requirements were is because I don't want to out myself. After getting into it (respectfully and calmly) with the secretary today, it could potentially be traceable and I don't want to chance that!
To the pp who thinks my issue is about having two practicing Catholic godparents, no, that is not my issue. My issue is about the hoops they are making all of us jump through, and moreso about the fact that they have changed said hoops multiple times and won't let us pin down a date until we've completed everything. It's just really hard.
And by the way, to the person who suggested that this is the doing of the office staff, you're right. It totally is. I did call the priest, who was very nice and said we didn't have to worry about some of it, and then I got a call later that day from the office lady again saying she spoke to the priest and he changed his mind and is stickig to her rules now. It's like a joke.
Email the priest. If this is the same office lady as our parish, you just need to continue to bypas her.
Anonymous
07/23/2012 20:06
Subject: WHY does the Catholic Church make things so damn difficult?
Is it st. Jude's?
Anonymous
07/23/2012 20:06
Subject: Re:WHY does the Catholic Church make things so damn difficult?
OP -- Come on over to an Episcopal Church. The service, liturgy and worship experience are all quite similar to a Catholic Mass, but there's none of the crazy rules and judgmental nonsense. We'd love to have you!
Anonymous
07/23/2012 20:05
Subject: Re:WHY does the Catholic Church make things so damn difficult?
I am really, really puzzled as to why you want to be Catholic, or why you want your children to have sacraments in the Catholic church.
It doesn't make an iota of sense based on your post.
Is it because of family? You are a grown up; find a religion that you actually believe in.
Ritual? Why not Anglican (if you are liberal) or Lutheran (if you are moderate). You can still get the ceremony of the Mass, but in adherance to your belief structure.
If you don't believe and in fact mock the main tenets of this faith, and have such distain for those who practice it, then why be Catholic?
You do not make any sense.
It doesn't make an iota of sense based on your post.
Is it because of family? You are a grown up; find a religion that you actually believe in.
Ritual? Why not Anglican (if you are liberal) or Lutheran (if you are moderate). You can still get the ceremony of the Mass, but in adherance to your belief structure.
If you don't believe and in fact mock the main tenets of this faith, and have such distain for those who practice it, then why be Catholic?
You do not make any sense.
Anonymous wrote:I think it's unreasonable to think that godparents HAVE to be bible-thumping Catholics! Quite frankly, I don't have that many "good" Catholics in my life. My childrens' godparents aren't at mass every Sunday, and some don't even belong to a church. Our church wasn't that picky. I want people in my childrens' lives who love them as much as we do and who WILL treat them as their own should anything happen to us. I don't give a rat's ass if they're not in church every Sunday either.
Furthermore, transubstantiation is ridiculous. Basically, it's cannibalism if you truly believe the host and wine turn into body and blood. When my daughter had her Communion, she thought the whole transformation was bizarre. And I'm glad she had that reaction. So I told her that there are other religions that don't believe in that process, believing it to be symbolic instead.
OP, keep questioning, and ignore people who can't see beyond these "rules." Maybe one day, if enough people start to complain, the Catholic church will indeed change. As it stands now, the whole pedophilia scandal (with creeps still coming out of the woodwork) isn't exactly making the church attractive to many.
Anonymous wrote:Cradle Catholic here and I've never heard of godparents having to prove that they've given money to their parish. They have to be registered parishoners and have a form filled out by the priest at their parish. Not terribly unreasonable, again, considering they are standing up saying they are Catholics in good standing and are supporting you in raising your child as a Catholic.
With regard to the Lutheran poster, unless you were attending a very liberal church at which the priests looked the other way the Catholic church has never been open to non-Catholics receiving communion. Join us in prayer, yes, but only those who have been baptized and received the Sacrament of the Eucharist are to receive holy communion. It's not an insult, it's part of the faith.
OP, if indeed your priest is heaping tons of requirements on you, I can see where you would be frustrated. We had challenges with the parish where we received our pre-Cana marriage counseling. However, with all due respect, you haven't articulated what the requirements are that you are deeming so outrageous.
Anonymous
07/23/2012 20:04
Subject: WHY does the Catholic Church make things so damn difficult?
Op here: the reason I am not going more into detail about what the requirements were is because I don't want to out myself. After getting into it (respectfully and calmly) with the secretary today, it could potentially be traceable and I don't want to chance that!
To the pp who thinks my issue is about having two practicing Catholic godparents, no, that is not my issue. My issue is about the hoops they are making all of us jump through, and moreso about the fact that they have changed said hoops multiple times and won't let us pin down a date until we've completed everything. It's just really hard.
And by the way, to the person who suggested that this is the doing of the office staff, you're right. It totally is. I did call the priest, who was very nice and said we didn't have to worry about some of it, and then I got a call later that day from the office lady again saying she spoke to the priest and he changed his mind and is stickig to her rules now. It's like a joke.
To the pp who thinks my issue is about having two practicing Catholic godparents, no, that is not my issue. My issue is about the hoops they are making all of us jump through, and moreso about the fact that they have changed said hoops multiple times and won't let us pin down a date until we've completed everything. It's just really hard.
And by the way, to the person who suggested that this is the doing of the office staff, you're right. It totally is. I did call the priest, who was very nice and said we didn't have to worry about some of it, and then I got a call later that day from the office lady again saying she spoke to the priest and he changed his mind and is stickig to her rules now. It's like a joke.
Anonymous
07/23/2012 19:54
Subject: Re:WHY does the Catholic Church make things so damn difficult?
I think it's unreasonable to think that godparents HAVE to be bible-thumping Catholics! Quite frankly, I don't have that many "good" Catholics in my life. My childrens' godparents aren't at mass every Sunday, and some don't even belong to a church. Our church wasn't that picky. I want people in my childrens' lives who love them as much as we do and who WILL treat them as their own should anything happen to us. I don't give a rat's ass if they're not in church every Sunday either.
Furthermore, transubstantiation is ridiculous. Basically, it's cannibalism if you truly believe the host and wine turn into body and blood. When my daughter had her Communion, she thought the whole transformation was bizarre. And I'm glad she had that reaction. So I told her that there are other religions that don't believe in that process, believing it to be symbolic instead.
OP, keep questioning, and ignore people who can't see beyond these "rules." Maybe one day, if enough people start to complain, the Catholic church will indeed change. As it stands now, the whole pedophilia scandal (with creeps still coming out of the woodwork) isn't exactly making the church attractive to many.
Furthermore, transubstantiation is ridiculous. Basically, it's cannibalism if you truly believe the host and wine turn into body and blood. When my daughter had her Communion, she thought the whole transformation was bizarre. And I'm glad she had that reaction. So I told her that there are other religions that don't believe in that process, believing it to be symbolic instead.
OP, keep questioning, and ignore people who can't see beyond these "rules." Maybe one day, if enough people start to complain, the Catholic church will indeed change. As it stands now, the whole pedophilia scandal (with creeps still coming out of the woodwork) isn't exactly making the church attractive to many.
Anonymous wrote:Cradle Catholic here and I've never heard of godparents having to prove that they've given money to their parish. They have to be registered parishoners and have a form filled out by the priest at their parish. Not terribly unreasonable, again, considering they are standing up saying they are Catholics in good standing and are supporting you in raising your child as a Catholic.
With regard to the Lutheran poster, unless you were attending a very liberal church at which the priests looked the other way the Catholic church has never been open to non-Catholics receiving communion. Join us in prayer, yes, but only those who have been baptized and received the Sacrament of the Eucharist are to receive holy communion. It's not an insult, it's part of the faith.
OP, if indeed your priest is heaping tons of requirements on you, I can see where you would be frustrated. We had challenges with the parish where we received our pre-Cana marriage counseling. However, with all due respect, you haven't articulated what the requirements are that you are deeming so outrageous.
Anonymous
07/23/2012 19:39
Subject: Re:WHY does the Catholic Church make things so damn difficult?
Cradle Catholic here and I've never heard of godparents having to prove that they've given money to their parish. They have to be registered parishoners and have a form filled out by the priest at their parish. Not terribly unreasonable, again, considering they are standing up saying they are Catholics in good standing and are supporting you in raising your child as a Catholic.
With regard to the Lutheran poster, unless you were attending a very liberal church at which the priests looked the other way the Catholic church has never been open to non-Catholics receiving communion. Join us in prayer, yes, but only those who have been baptized and received the Sacrament of the Eucharist are to receive holy communion. It's not an insult, it's part of the faith.
OP, if indeed your priest is heaping tons of requirements on you, I can see where you would be frustrated. We had challenges with the parish where we received our pre-Cana marriage counseling. However, with all due respect, you haven't articulated what the requirements are that you are deeming so outrageous.
With regard to the Lutheran poster, unless you were attending a very liberal church at which the priests looked the other way the Catholic church has never been open to non-Catholics receiving communion. Join us in prayer, yes, but only those who have been baptized and received the Sacrament of the Eucharist are to receive holy communion. It's not an insult, it's part of the faith.
OP, if indeed your priest is heaping tons of requirements on you, I can see where you would be frustrated. We had challenges with the parish where we received our pre-Cana marriage counseling. However, with all due respect, you haven't articulated what the requirements are that you are deeming so outrageous.
Anonymous
07/23/2012 19:36
Subject: WHY does the Catholic Church make things so damn difficult?
Anonymous wrote:Is it st. Peter's in olney?
LOL!
We left that parish after the priest chastised people for walking into mass late.
And don't get me started on Pre-Cana crap!
Anonymous
07/23/2012 19:24
Subject: WHY does the Catholic Church make things so damn difficult?
Just you wait til you get to Confirmation. It gets really crazy!
Anonymous
07/23/2012 19:18
Subject: WHY does the Catholic Church make things so damn difficult?
Anonymous wrote:
OP have they changed the requirements 3 times for this one Baptism? Which requirements?
Yes please. It sounds more like you didn't have a practicing Catholic for a Godparent and are bothered because they required that you do have one. BTW you only need one practicing Catholic and then you can have a Christian witness.
Anonymous
07/23/2012 19:17
Subject: WHY does the Catholic Church make things so damn difficult?
Is it st. Peter's in olney?