Anonymous wrote:i will continue to recline without guilt on every flight.

If you want more room, FLY ECONOMY PLUS, BUSINESS OR FIRST CLASS!

Thank you.

I flew first class back from Denver last week. The guy in front of me reclined his seat back all the way. The top of his seat was essentially in my lap. Bigger seats = bigger seats to recline.

Anonymous wrote:I won't recline, and I deeply resent anyone who does this on a non-overnight flight. I'm 5'8" and have LONG legs, but can't sit in the exit row when my 4-year-old daughter is with me. (bulkhead is hard because I need under-seat space for storing stuff to keep her busy.)

They should really divide planes into recline and non-recline sections so those who wish to recline are reclining only in front of other recliners, and those who are anti-recline will not have a recliner in front of them.

Right .... and they should also divide planes between fat people/skinny people, kids/no kids.

Anonymous wrote:i will continue to recline without guilt on every flight.

If you want more room, FLY ECONOMY PLUS, BUSINESS OR FIRST CLASS!

Thank you.

Agreed! And until the airlines announce before takeoff that you are not allowed to recline your seat, it will continue to happen.
Its not being "rude", the seats recline for a reason - use them.

Anonymous wrote:Reduction to aburdity is a logical fallacy that is made when one makes an argument like yours -- "Give up cholesterol? Why, next you'll say that people should just give up eating all together! Why don't we just all STARVE TO DEATH!"

The person who suggested that people not recline had a logical argument. Your suggestion that this was equivalent to saying we no longer use parking spaces was absurd.

i disagree. but maybe this analogy might be closer (and certainly better than putting a high chair in the middle of an aisle). is it inconsiderate to use overhead bin space? do you know how annoyed i am when i get to my chair and see that someone has stuffed their suitcase in the overhead bin and now there is no room for my laptop and coat? but i don't begrudge them. they are conditoned to do this because the overhead bin was made specifically to accommodate his size suitcase, and the airlines would otherwise charge this person at least $25 to check it. if airlines didn't make room for overhead luggage or reclining seats, they would certainly lose business. it is what we pay for. and what they are there for.

Anonymous wrote:NP here -- I suppose it's mildly annoying to have someone recline sitting in front of you, but it's not like these seats recline very far. This debate is somewhat silly. Obs it's OK.

No kidding. I'm 6'1" and on my list of travel annoyances, this ranks somewhere between the airport bar not having my favorite beer and the cab driver taking a circuitous route so my company has to pay an extra $3 in cab fare. It's astonishing to me that people get so worked up about this. Moral turpitude? Really?

I'm an anti-recliner, and am annoyed when people recline, but recliners are certainly within their rights to recline. It kinds of sucks for us for those of us who find the reclined position uncomfortable, but it is really the airlines' fault.

The reason this issue is becoming more controversial, IMO, is that airlines have reduced seat pitch so much that on some flights -- I am looking at you, United Economy Minus -- if the person in front of you reclines, it becomes physically impossible to have an open laptop on the tray table. This is a monster inconvenience for those of us who have to work on planes, and I think they do it on purpose to force business travelers to shell out for Economy Plus.

It would be nice if people took that into account in deciding whether to recline or not, but, as I said, I believe recliners are well within their rights to do so.

Reduction to aburdity is a logical fallacy that is made when one makes an argument like yours -- "Give up cholesterol? Why, next you'll say that people should just give up eating all together! Why don't we just all STARVE TO DEATH!"

The person who suggested that people not recline had a logical argument. Your suggestion that this was equivalent to saying we no longer use parking spaces was absurd.

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Anonymous wrote:how could people not know this is inconsiderate? if you think it's within your rights to do it, that's your choice, but to deny that it's inconsiderate is just ridiculous. just because the option is there doesn't make it right to take advantage of it. i CAN talk loudly on my cell phone in a quiet restaurant. i CAN put my baby's highchair in the aisle where it blocks everyone - i mean they GAVE me a highchair! babies NEED highchairs!

just be considerate of your fellow humans, people.

why stop there? it is inconsiderate to sit down on a bus. sure, the seats are there as an option, but that doesn't make it right to take advantage of it. if you sit, then someone else might not be able to. it is also inconsiderate to park in a parking space. sure, it's there, but that doesn't make it right to take advantage of it. someone else might be looking for a parking space and you will prevent them from being able to use it.

your analogies are totally off by the way. it's not about whether you CAN but whether the thing you are doing is indeed the WHOLE PURPOSE.

This is called reductio ad absurdum or reduction to aburdity.

my whole point was to call out the PP who thinks it is inconsiderate on his/her ridiculous analogy. the seats are meant to recline. it is something we are paying for and the whole purpose of the thing (similar to a seat or a parking space). different from talking loudly or putting a high chair in someone's way. if you wanted to make a more proper analogy to the high chair, you would be arguing that, sure high chairs exist, but we shouldn't use them because they tend to annoy people walking by them, even if they are used as intended.

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Anonymous wrote:how could people not know this is inconsiderate? if you think it's within your rights to do it, that's your choice, but to deny that it's inconsiderate is just ridiculous. just because the option is there doesn't make it right to take advantage of it. i CAN talk loudly on my cell phone in a quiet restaurant. i CAN put my baby's highchair in the aisle where it blocks everyone - i mean they GAVE me a highchair! babies NEED highchairs!

just be considerate of your fellow humans, people.

why stop there? it is inconsiderate to sit down on a bus. sure, the seats are there as an option, but that doesn't make it right to take advantage of it. if you sit, then someone else might not be able to. it is also inconsiderate to park in a parking space. sure, it's there, but that doesn't make it right to take advantage of it. someone else might be looking for a parking space and you will prevent them from being able to use it.

your analogies are totally off by the way. it's not about whether you CAN but whether the thing you are doing is indeed the WHOLE PURPOSE.

This is called reductio ad absurdum or reduction to aburdity.

Anonymous wrote:I won't recline, and I deeply resent anyone who does this on a non-overnight flight. I'm 5'8" and have LONG legs, but can't sit in the exit row when my 4-year-old daughter is with me. (bulkhead is hard because I need under-seat space for storing stuff to keep her busy.)

They should really divide planes into recline and non-recline sections so those who wish to recline are reclining only in front of other recliners, and those who are anti-recline will not have a recliner in front of them.

Another poster who despises recliners. I, too. keep toys in a bag under the seat in front of me to entertain the little one, and it's impossible to reach the bag, which I must do multiple times, with the seat reclined.

Anonymous wrote:Do seats still recline these days?

+1

If anyone has a gripe, it is with the airline. They get to decide how far back the seats recline, and how much space between seats is available. I don't see the point in complaining about passengers who are merely conforming to the plan of the airline.

Anonymous wrote:how could people not know this is inconsiderate? if you think it's within your rights to do it, that's your choice, but to deny that it's inconsiderate is just ridiculous. just because the option is there doesn't make it right to take advantage of it. i CAN talk loudly on my cell phone in a quiet restaurant. i CAN put my baby's highchair in the aisle where it blocks everyone - i mean they GAVE me a highchair! babies NEED highchairs!

just be considerate of your fellow humans, people.

why stop there? it is inconsiderate to sit down on a bus. sure, the seats are there as an option, but that doesn't make it right to take advantage of it. if you sit, then someone else might not be able to. it is also inconsiderate to park in a parking space. sure, it's there, but that doesn't make it right to take advantage of it. someone else might be looking for a parking space and you will prevent them from being able to use it.

your analogies are totally off by the way. it's not about whether you CAN but whether the thing you are doing is indeed the WHOLE PURPOSE.

there is no way i am not reclining. the seat is so upright i actually hunch forward (i'm short) if i don't. sorry, this is a made up rule that i think only a few people are trying to pretend has some legitimacy...

Anonymous wrote:I am going to assume that it is just one poster posting over and over about it being rude to recline your seat. Probably that poster has only flown once in their lives and had the bad fortune of leaning to get something and getting wacked by a reclining.

I fly often, as do my colleagues, none of us have ever even heard of it being rude to recline. Everyone reclines. It is how airplane seats are made to function.

If you are sitting in front of me, recline away!

Nope, definitely more than one person thinks that all of you indiscriminate seat recliners are entitled douches. You and your colleagues can stick your heads in the sand and continue to be willfully clueless, while the rest of us do our best to be considerate of our fellow passengers on what has increasingly become a contentious, stressful way to travel. If we could all be a little more thoughtful of those around us, it would make life a lot more pleasant for everyone.

I won't recline, and I deeply resent anyone who does this on a non-overnight flight. I'm 5'8" and have LONG legs, but can't sit in the exit row when my 4-year-old daughter is with me. (bulkhead is hard because I need under-seat space for storing stuff to keep her busy.)

They should really divide planes into recline and non-recline sections so those who wish to recline are reclining only in front of other recliners, and those who are anti-recline will not have a recliner in front of them.