Anonymous
Post 04/21/2012 11:37     Subject: Re:Do more attractive women go into "less difficult" careers?
I'm a 7 or 8 and I'm a corporate lawyer. That's because I identify more as an intellectual than a good looking person.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2012 11:29     Subject: Re:Do more attractive women go into "less difficult" careers?
I'm not sure you even want to be above average. Average or even less than average might be better, or at least I think so given my experience working in large law firms for 20 years. When I was fresh out of law school, I often had problems with older male lawyers hitting on me or predicting I was going to be married in x number of years and quit law altogether. Let's face it - big law firms are not filled with super hot men either, so it doesn't take much to be hot in their eyes. (When an investment banker asks you out, then you might be stunning! I never was.) When I think back on it, I can't believe these things happened and I had no idea how to handle at the time. It all screamed you can't possibly be smart or serious. Still makes me mad.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2012 11:00     Subject: Do more attractive women go into "less difficult" careers?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:But you don't get it.

Would a MAN post this?


But you don't get it men have different experiences.


Men have different experiences . . . uh yeah - I get that.

But that's societal. An intelligent man who's not the best looking guy around will climb easily. That's b/c we don't put that much emphasis on male looks. So the good old boy gang wins out each time.

Put a group of women together and see what you get - cliques. That's b/c we've become accustomed to the divide and conquer tactics practiced in the workforce. Men don't necessarily play those games. Think of sports. Men work together on football teams. Women play tennis. Men are on soccer teams. Women play golf. And while there are team sports for women, they never get as much press as male-dominated sports do.

So who's to blame? Of course it's societal, but women are just as much to blame. We are trained to turn on each other. And using looks to climb is one such example.

Make all the excuses in the world; it's still wrong. And while I may not be in the "hot" category, my daughter certainly is. I HOPE that I can guide her in the right direction by having her put intelligence first.


Tennis?

Girls play soccer, lacrosse, field hockey and truthfully if you have ever seen a fly girl in soccer - that is teamwork.

Press? Yea - US Men's soccer vs. US Womens - women far exceed.

You missed the point - you actually are hindered because the assumption is that you used your looks - even if you didn't.

Wow - put women together and you get a clique. You are part of the problem. Hopefully your wife can guide you daughter through this because clearly you are clueless.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2012 10:36     Subject: Re:Do more attractive women go into "less difficult" careers?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is hilarious. Ok, I am going to say it -- I get a lot of compliments about my appearance. I am always gracious about it, but I do. That being said, I am a lawyer and am pretty smart. I have to admit though, that I know that my appearance helps me tremendously. I know that I can be coy and play to the audience. So, there you go, I went into a tough profession, but have used my looks to my advantage.


How do you feel about that?

You're not to blame (if that's the right word). But it's still an unfair advantage, as there are plenty of smart women w/o the looks who are coming in second . . . or third.

What if your daughter was the Plain Jane?

So I don't think it's hilarious at all really. Men still have the control in your world, I'm assuming, and while you're smart, it's your looks that are more helpful to you.


Bitter? Do think she could be a lawyer on looks alone? She is being honest about the world we live in. You are in denial.


It's always the "bitter" comment. You couldn't find something a bit more creative?

I am not bitter. I worry about the next generation. If women are proud of the fact that their looks are getting them ahead, something's wrong with how this world is run. MEN run the world - plain (Jane) and simple!

Again, if YOUR daughter were overlooked for a position b/c although qualified, she just didn't have the looks (although you'd never hear that), how would you feel?

Let's face it. Lawyers are a dime a dozen in this area. So is it any wonder that those with "the look" will climb faster? I'm not saying PP 1 is stupid. But I do have a friend in corporate law who tells me ALL THE TIME that if her looks started to fade (she is very attractive), she'd be replaced in a heartbeat. in a heartbeat

So bitter? no - as I am surrounded by some intelligent and beautiful friends

but to be proud of the fact that you're climbing b/c of your looks? pathetic


Interesting. I don't recall asking anyone if they were bitter in quite some time. Do you get this a lot? Attractiveness really does come from within, and if you harbor a chip on your shoulder, you wil be considered ugly regardless of your innate looks. A smile goes a long way, and I am very proud that my attitude makes me more attractive. It isn't just a male thing either, females prefer to deal with people who seem are attractive. Note the origin of the word.


That was not my word. I simply commented on it.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2012 10:35     Subject: Do more attractive women go into "less difficult" careers?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:But you don't get it.

Would a MAN post this?


But you don't get it men have different experiences.


Men have different experiences . . . uh yeah - I get that.

But that's societal. An intelligent man who's not the best looking guy around will climb easily. That's b/c we don't put that much emphasis on male looks. So the good old boy gang wins out each time.

Put a group of women together and see what you get - cliques. That's b/c we've become accustomed to the divide and conquer tactics practiced in the workforce. Men don't necessarily play those games. Think of sports. Men work together on football teams. Women play tennis. Men are on soccer teams. Women play golf. And while there are team sports for women, they never get as much press as male-dominated sports do.

So who's to blame? Of course it's societal, but women are just as much to blame. We are trained to turn on each other. And using looks to climb is one such example.

Make all the excuses in the world; it's still wrong. And while I may not be in the "hot" category, my daughter certainly is. I HOPE that I can guide her in the right direction by having her put intelligence first.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2012 10:32     Subject: Re:Do more attractive women go into "less difficult" careers?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is hilarious. Ok, I am going to say it -- I get a lot of compliments about my appearance. I am always gracious about it, but I do. That being said, I am a lawyer and am pretty smart. I have to admit though, that I know that my appearance helps me tremendously. I know that I can be coy and play to the audience. So, there you go, I went into a tough profession, but have used my looks to my advantage.


How do you feel about that?

You're not to blame (if that's the right word). But it's still an unfair advantage, as there are plenty of smart women w/o the looks who are coming in second . . . or third.

What if your daughter was the Plain Jane?

So I don't think it's hilarious at all really. Men still have the control in your world, I'm assuming, and while you're smart, it's your looks that are more helpful to you.


Bitter? Do think she could be a lawyer on looks alone? She is being honest about the world we live in. You are in denial.


It's always the "bitter" comment. You couldn't find something a bit more creative?

I am not bitter. I worry about the next generation. If women are proud of the fact that their looks are getting them ahead, something's wrong with how this world is run. MEN run the world - plain (Jane) and simple!

Again, if YOUR daughter were overlooked for a position b/c although qualified, she just didn't have the looks (although you'd never hear that), how would you feel?

Let's face it. Lawyers are a dime a dozen in this area. So is it any wonder that those with "the look" will climb faster? I'm not saying PP 1 is stupid. But I do have a friend in corporate law who tells me ALL THE TIME that if her looks started to fade (she is very attractive), she'd be replaced in a heartbeat. in a heartbeat

So bitter? no - as I am surrounded by some intelligent and beautiful friends

but to be proud of the fact that you're climbing b/c of your looks? pathetic


Interesting. I don't recall asking anyone if they were bitter in quite some time. Do you get this a lot? Attractiveness really does come from within, and if you harbor a chip on your shoulder, you wil be considered ugly regardless of your innate looks. A smile goes a long way, and I am very proud that my attitude makes me more attractive. It isn't just a male thing either, females prefer to deal with people who seem are attractive. Note the origin of the word.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2012 09:35     Subject: Do more attractive women go into "less difficult" careers?
Anonymous wrote:OP - could your friend be getting cause and effect mixed up? Perhaps the women who have chosen less demanding jobs have more interest in fashion/beauty and more time on their hands to work on themselves. Presentation can make a huge difference - especially to a man's concept of beauty.


Thank you ! One of the few thoughtful comments on here.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2012 09:27     Subject: Do more attractive women go into "less difficult" careers?
Anonymous wrote:But you don't get it.

Would a MAN post this?


But you don't get it men have different experiences.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2012 08:58     Subject: Do more attractive women go into "less difficult" careers?
I was in a car accident, which my ex caused on purpose. The first thing I screamed at him afterward was "my face". I could feel the burns from the airbag and thought it was some serious damage. Looking back on it, I am amazed at myself for worrying about my face before the rest of my body or what had happened. I'm going to throw it up to shock, but I hope I'm not so vain as that really. People told me I was beautiful my whole life and I certainly use that at least for confidence in my marketing job.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2012 08:54     Subject: Do more attractive women go into "less difficult" careers?
But you don't get it.

Would a MAN post this?
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2012 08:24     Subject: Do more attractive women go into "less difficult" careers?
Agree with the cause/effect poster. If you work in a profession where looks get you far, you will make more of an effort to keep up your looks. Almost anyone can look good if they try hard enough (if lady gaga, drag queens, etc can do it, so can even a lawyer!)
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2012 08:18     Subject: Re:Do more attractive women go into "less difficult" careers?
Anybody attractive and in the science field?

I have a degree in Math and work in IT.

Every body thinks I'm the secretary when I attend a meeting. Takes a while for people to take You seriously. Now that the world is global ... All emails and conference calls. People are pretty surprised when they meet me.

At social occasions nobody believes I have a degree in math.

I actually think as a young woman I wore more dowdy clothes to deflect the attention.

I was getting books from the library and a man said to me - so you studying to be a model. I was like computer Modeling - then I wanted to say ass.

Men are simple I have to say. A pair of heals, straighten my hair and dang they go all light headed.

I don't think it is wrong to use your looks - it's just not my style.

People constantly question whether you earned you position with your smarts or another Way.

Anonymous
Post 04/21/2012 08:02     Subject: Do more attractive women go into "less difficult" careers?
OP - could your friend be getting cause and effect mixed up? Perhaps the women who have chosen less demanding jobs have more interest in fashion/beauty and more time on their hands to work on themselves. Presentation can make a huge difference - especially to a man's concept of beauty.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2012 07:59     Subject: Re:Do more attractive women go into "less difficult" careers?
OP mentioned pharmaceutical sales rep. I have a relative and a good friend from college who do that. It is damn hard. You have to be put together and "on" all day - and now that my relative is 40 she is doing all kinds of shit to stay attractive.

I know what you mean - it's based on looks and it's not like it's a hard science or anything - but it is hard work. It's not an easy life and neither have kids - it's not a family friendly job.
Anonymous
Post 04/21/2012 07:58     Subject: Re:Do more attractive women go into "less difficult" careers?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is hilarious. Ok, I am going to say it -- I get a lot of compliments about my appearance. I am always gracious about it, but I do. That being said, I am a lawyer and am pretty smart. I have to admit though, that I know that my appearance helps me tremendously. I know that I can be coy and play to the audience. So, there you go, I went into a tough profession, but have used my looks to my advantage.


How do you feel about that?

You're not to blame (if that's the right word). But it's still an unfair advantage, as there are plenty of smart women w/o the looks who are coming in second . . . or third.

What if your daughter was the Plain Jane?

So I don't think it's hilarious at all really. Men still have the control in your world, I'm assuming, and while you're smart, it's your looks that are more helpful to you.


Bitter? Do think she could be a lawyer on looks alone? She is being honest about the world we live in. You are in denial.


It's always the "bitter" comment. You couldn't find something a bit more creative?

I am not bitter. I worry about the next generation. If women are proud of the fact that their looks are getting them ahead, something's wrong with how this world is run. MEN run the world - plain (Jane) and simple!

Again, if YOUR daughter were overlooked for a position b/c although qualified, she just didn't have the looks (although you'd never hear that), how would you feel?

Let's face it. Lawyers are a dime a dozen in this area. So is it any wonder that those with "the look" will climb faster? I'm not saying PP 1 is stupid. But I do have a friend in corporate law who tells me ALL THE TIME that if her looks started to fade (she is very attractive), she'd be replaced in a heartbeat. in a heartbeat

So bitter? no - as I am surrounded by some intelligent and beautiful friends

but to be proud of the fact that you're climbing b/c of your looks? pathetic