Anonymous wrote:And let me just add that while you are sitting on your ass crying crocodile tears about the abortion of Special Needs kids, some idiot has gone on for 14 pages in Schools General Discussion about why her children have to go to school with Special Needs kids. This is the real problem for Special Needs kids -- not abortion -- REAL LIFE -- so why not join reality, toots, and dry those crocodile tears. Phantom special needs babies don't need your help. Real special needs kids do.

Anonymous wrote:And let me just add that while you are sitting on your ass crying crocodile tears about the abortion of Special Needs kids, some idiot has gone on for 14 pages in Schools General Discussion about why her children have to go to school with Special Needs kids. This is the real problem for Special Needs kids -- not abortion -- REAL LIFE -- so why not join reality, toots, and dry those crocodile tears. Phantom special needs babies don't need your help. Real special needs kids do.

Anonymous wrote:And let me just add that while you are sitting on your ass crying crocodile tears about the abortion of Special Needs kids, some idiot has gone on for 14 pages in Schools General Discussion about why her children have to go to school with Special Needs kids. This is the real problem for Special Needs kids -- not abortion -- REAL LIFE -- so why not join reality, toots, and dry those crocodile tears. Phantom special needs babies don't need your help. Real special needs kids do.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I have noticed that there are not many open minds on this site. I think it is because many of the women here have actually had abortions or so it seems from many of these posts. I guess once you've gone through with an abortion, it would be difficult to think that maybe there was another option.

Also, a lot of these women waited until they were past 35 to have children, knowing the risks. So that grouping of women is probably more okay with aborting a child if it happens to have a disability they are not willing to accept.

I think this PP is right. I find this group very very very militantly pro-abortion so this thread is probably not going to go far. But who knows, maybe it'll touch someone, just one person, or open one person's mind? Either way, thanks for your post and best of luck with your pregnancy, and with your sister and your niece/nephew. Sighing out of this one.

Anonymous wrote:OP, I have noticed that there are not many open minds on this site. I think it is because many of the women here have actually had abortions or so it seems from many of these posts. I guess once you've gone through with an abortion, it would be difficult to think that maybe there was another option.

Also, a lot of these women waited until they were past 35 to have children, knowing the risks. So that grouping of women is probably more okay with aborting a child if it happens to have a disability they are not willing to accept.

Anonymous wrote:I have a cousin with spina bifida. She had a very difficult childhood filled with painful surgeries. She is now a college-educated, married woman leading a wonderful life.

I also had a pregnancy that I chose to terminate because of Down Syndrome. I did this because while I know that many people with Down Syndrome go on to lead long, healthy lives, I also know of babies who died immediately after birth, at 4 months, and at 21. I've known families that have fallen apart and elderly parents who are spending their last years caring for adult children who cannot take care of themselves. We decided we did not want to take the chance that that could happen to our family. We did not want our older child to have to care for a disabled child after we are gone. I understand that you can never predict the future, but we considered our odds and chose not to take the chance.

That does not mean I do not value the lives of disabled people, like my cousin. I made a choice that I felt was best for my family and it has nothing to do with other families and their choices. I wish everyone the best of luck with their choices.

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Anonymous wrote:I see NARAL has released its pit bull female dogs in here.

Actually, I don't think so. I think you have reached a couple people who have heard the words "there is a trisomy on chromosome [13, 18]. The condition is incompatible with life. You will probably lose the baby sometime in the second or third trimester. If the baby reaches term, it will probably be still born. If it is born, it will have multiple defects and will die shortly after birth of organ failure. If the baby doesn't immediately die of organ failure, s/he will need at least a dozen surgeries immediately to correct [holes in his/her heart, bone, ...]. The baby will have decreased immunity, so s/he can't play with your other children. S/he will have learning disabilities and will never [walk, talk, eat or breathe on his/her own]. Even with the surgeries and the best medicine we have, the baby will probably die before his/her fourth birthday, because that is the longest any child with this condition has ever lived."

Anonymous wrote:OP, I have noticed that there are not many open minds on this site. I think it is because many of the women here have actually had abortions or so it seems from many of these posts. I guess once you've gone through with an abortion, it would be difficult to think that maybe there was another option.

Also, a lot of these women waited until they were past 35 to have children, knowing the risks. So that grouping of women is probably more okay with aborting a child if it happens to have a disability they are not willing to accept.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, but Spina bifida is NOT comparable to T18/T13.

Spina bifida is a serious, but manageable, condition. These kids and adults are capable of living happy and wonderful lives, just like you or I. Yes, there are extra challenges, but there is so much support and love available for my neice and her whole family.

You do realize that spina bifida just means there is a hole where the spine didn't close? Some holes are bigger than others. Some cause extreme problems that can't be repaired.

Anonymous wrote:I have a cousin with spina bifida. She had a very difficult childhood filled with painful surgeries. She is now a college-educated, married woman leading a wonderful life.

I also had a pregnancy that I chose to terminate because of Down Syndrome. I did this because while I know that many people with Down Syndrome go on to lead long, healthy lives, I also know of babies who died immediately after birth, at 4 months, and at 21. I've known families that have fallen apart and elderly parents who are spending their last years caring for adult children who cannot take care of themselves. We decided we did not want to take the chance that that could happen to our family. We did not want our older child to have to care for a disabled child after we are gone. I understand that you can never predict the future, but we considered our odds and chose not to take the chance.

That does not mean I do not value the lives of disabled people, like my cousin. I made a choice that I felt was best for my family and it has nothing to do with other families and their choices. I wish everyone the best of luck with their choices.

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Anonymous wrote:11:09 that makes me weep. I cannot imagine hearing those words, and the fact that the OP is so unbelievably unseeing that this is the case for many parents struggling with this information is just beyond the pale.

OP, you need to shut up when you don't know what you're talking about.

I am not the OP, but it makes me weep too. But the only difference is, the fact that you and the above PP are so unbelievably unseeing that killing your own child yourself just to save it from being killed? What? I don't get that?